DOB claims he was defamed in SBP articles on March 15, 2015. SBP deny this.
Articles were about PwC rpt on Ireland's top 22 borrowers in '08
IK agrees. Says SBP didn't want it getting out to rival newspapers or Govt/anyone who might seek to injunct publication of articles
IK agrees and also agrees that none of the 22 were asked for comment. He repeats that the SBP didn't want to give the 22 the opportunity to attempt to inject the articles.
He adds in respect of Denis O'Brien, the SBP stated that he'd repaid his debts and was one of the best customers of AIB and BOI
IK: There's no suggestion in any of the articles these people were responsible for bankrupting the country. It's madness [to suggest they did]
IK: Normally, but there are exceptions. I would argue, given gravity of what we were printing... meant it wasn't necessary to call them.
IK: It was designed to give what it is: a factual statement. Not an impression, it's about a factual position [the PwC report]
IK says the 'they' refers to Government.
LOB puts it to IK that the "they" refers to the 22 men and not the Govt.
IK: I don't agree with you
The eight men named (in this order) are: Sean Quinn, Derek Quinlan, Sean Dunne, Liam Carroll, Sean Mulryan, Denis O'Brien, Johnny Ronan and Ray Grehan
IK: That wasn't the suggestion of the headline.
NOTE: The PwC report of 2008 was never published by any Govt since 2008.
IK: I emphatically disagree with you.
IK explains to jury there was about €72bn in loans transferred to Nama and about €63bn related to around 170 people.
IK: They were on the hook for the balance until they came good
Jury hears it was reported that second tranche of Nama loans included that of Sean Dunne and Ray Grehan
IK: A lot of developers were unhappy, yes.
LOB It was viewed that it reflected bad on them.
IK: I don't know. I've often thought about it. They had little choice. Loans were transferred due to legislation
IK: Not every developer who went into Nama was insolvent.
IK: I'm not certain if I agree with that. I even remember a programme I did, which wasn't very good, in which some of them explained why it had been a good thing for them
IK: Good phrase ['holding pen'] I used it myself in a programme
IK says this is wrong. He said he was in the room where ppl whose loans were in Nama had to go. He said it was a little room and when filming, he said it was like a holding pen to camera
IK: I have to say - I thought you were being funny. Now I think you’e being serious…the suggestion that I was referring to developers as livestock is really, really, unfair.
The phrase LOB raises is: "Little wonder the public gets a kick when Nama gives developers get a kicking."
IK: It wasn't my feeling but it was a feeling out there.
LOB: It was your programme. You wrote it.
IK: I scripted it, yes.
LOB: You are a wordsmith
IK: At times
Jury hears that 3 of the 8 listed in the graphic went bankrupt while 5 didn't.
IK: No, and we never suggested he did those things.
LOB: You put him in the company of people viewed as having done those things.
IK: No. PwC did.
LOB: If you put in top 8 [overall borrowers], he [Denis O'Brien] wouldn't have been in this list [DOB was 10th out of 22 borrowers]. You thought you'd just lob in who you thought would sell.
Jury hears "22 exposures" wouldn't have made a good headline.
IK: 22 exposures could mean lot of things.
LOB: And they’d want to be good to pay €26bn for them
He said the word 'men' had meaning.
LOB says there isn't a word about this.
IK: Not in this one, no - but if you go through other newspapers, I've written about it extensively.
LOB: You could easily have said "how 22 men" instead.
IK: Even the NTMA was staggered that just 22 people had this exposure.
IK: The number comes from the PwC report
IK: Yes...there's others as well...Eight of the 22 didn't.
IK repeats this is how PwC described it - that 22 borrowers had 8.8bn exposure in land and development.
IK says the SBP was "factually correct" as this is what PWC said.
IK says to avoid such a situation, he'd put pen pics of each member of jury and outline where they stood "that would be the fairest"