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CNN - Carl Bernstein
BuzzFeed - Ken Bensinger
Mother Jones - David Corn
Guardian - Julian Borger
Washington Post - Tom Hamburger, Rosalind Helderman, Fred Hiatt
ABC News - Brian Ross
McClatchy - Peter Stone, Greg Gordan
WSJ - Allan Cullison
NPR - Bob Little, Rachel Martim
CNN - Carl Bernstein
BuzzFeed - Ken Bensinger
Mother Jones - David Corn
Guardian - Julian Borger
Washington Post - Tom Hamburger, Rosalind Helderman, Fred Hiatt
ABC News - Brian Ross
McClatchy - Peter Stone, Greg Gordan
WSJ - Allan Cullison
NPR - Bob Little, Rachel Martim
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Wood to Kramer to McCain at Halifax(p. 25)
Sir Andrew basically said the same thing to Senator McCain as he had said to me, which was he was aware of this information that had been gathered that raised the possibility of collusion and compromising material on the President Elect
Sir Andrew basically said the same thing to Senator McCain as he had said to me, which was he was aware of this information that had been gathered that raised the possibility of collusion and compromising material on the President Elect
P. 30
It later became clear to me that GPS -- I'm sorry, Fusion GPS had a relationship with him because I met them the next day
It later became clear to me that GPS -- I'm sorry, Fusion GPS had a relationship with him because I met them the next day
P. 34 Q: What did you understand raw intelligence to be?
Kramer: Signal, human intelligence which has not been corroborated or verified by other sources.
Kramer: Signal, human intelligence which has not been corroborated or verified by other sources.
P. 36
Q: How did your discussion with Mr. Steele concerning The Memos end?
Kramer: He explained to me that he would arrange for Glenn Simpson to get me a copy of the material upon my return to Washington.
Q: How did your discussion with Mr. Steele concerning The Memos end?
Kramer: He explained to me that he would arrange for Glenn Simpson to get me a copy of the material upon my return to Washington.
P. 38
Mr. Simpson contacted me, so the next day on the 29th I met with him in his office where he gave me a copy of these two versions.
(From P. 9 - One a redacted version that was given to me, and the other that has been the one posted)
Mr. Simpson contacted me, so the next day on the 29th I met with him in his office where he gave me a copy of these two versions.
(From P. 9 - One a redacted version that was given to me, and the other that has been the one posted)
P. 40
Q: To the best of your recollection, if you could tell us what happened at that [Simpson] meeting.
Kramer: There he did have a colleague with him and I don't recall the person's name.
Q Was the person male or female?
Kramer: It was a male
Q: To the best of your recollection, if you could tell us what happened at that [Simpson] meeting.
Kramer: There he did have a colleague with him and I don't recall the person's name.
Q Was the person male or female?
Kramer: It was a male
P. 41
Q: Did he explain to you why he was giving you two versions of the documents?
Kramer: He said that one had more things blacked out than the other. It wasn't entirely clear to me why there were two versions of this, so but I took both versions
Q: Did he explain to you why he was giving you two versions of the documents?
Kramer: He said that one had more things blacked out than the other. It wasn't entirely clear to me why there were two versions of this, so but I took both versions
P. 41
Q: Did he ask or suggest that you not provide it to anyone other than Senator McCain?
Kramer: He indicated to me that it was a very sensitive document and needed to be handled very carefully.
[Kramer gave dossier to 12 journalists - dossier never supposed to be public]
Q: Did he ask or suggest that you not provide it to anyone other than Senator McCain?
Kramer: He indicated to me that it was a very sensitive document and needed to be handled very carefully.
[Kramer gave dossier to 12 journalists - dossier never supposed to be public]
P. 45
The Senator went on his own without any staff to meet with the Director [Comey]. And -- sorry, and he did not get any readout from The Senator on the meeting, but just that it had happened.
The Senator went on his own without any staff to meet with the Director [Comey]. And -- sorry, and he did not get any readout from The Senator on the meeting, but just that it had happened.
P. 46 Q: Did you have additional conversations with either Glenn Simpson or anyone at Fusion GPS?
Kramer: I saw him maybe two, three other times, and was in touch with him maybe once, two, three times a week after that..
It was through Mr. Simpson that I obtained the last Memo
Kramer: I saw him maybe two, three other times, and was in touch with him maybe once, two, three times a week after that..
It was through Mr. Simpson that I obtained the last Memo
Kramer spoke again w/Steele
P. 47 - in the beginning mostly about the status of Senator McCain's contact with Director Comey. He was very interested to know where that stood.
P. 47 - in the beginning mostly about the status of Senator McCain's contact with Director Comey. He was very interested to know where that stood.
P. 49
Kramer contacted by David Corn "early, mid-December"
Corn and Julian Borger came to meet w/Kramer
Recall: Corn gave copy of "parts of dossier" to FBI General Counsel James Baker in 1st week of Nov '16.
Kramer contacted by David Corn "early, mid-December"
Corn and Julian Borger came to meet w/Kramer
Recall: Corn gave copy of "parts of dossier" to FBI General Counsel James Baker in 1st week of Nov '16.
Kramer met w/13 journalists (see 1st tweet)
P. 54 - Kramer: I stressed to every person I met the sensitivity of the document, the need to verify or refute it. And not to publish it. Unless or until that could be done.
P. 54 - Kramer: I stressed to every person I met the sensitivity of the document, the need to verify or refute it. And not to publish it. Unless or until that could be done.
Prior to providing a copy of The Memos to The Washington Post, had you informed Fusion or Mr. Simpson that you intended do so?
Kramer: They were aware that I was giving it to Mr. Hiatt at The Post
Kramer: They were aware that I was giving it to Mr. Hiatt at The Post
P. 62
[Bensinger - BF] said he wanted to read them, he asked me if he could take photos of them on his -- I assume it was an iPhone. I asked him not to. He said he was a slow reader, he wanted to read it. And so I said, you know, I got a phone call to make...
[Bensinger - BF] said he wanted to read them, he asked me if he could take photos of them on his -- I assume it was an iPhone. I asked him not to. He said he was a slow reader, he wanted to read it. And so I said, you know, I got a phone call to make...
P. 65-66
Q: What was your reaction when CNN broke the story?
Kramer: I believe my words were "Holy shit."
Kramer was meeting w/The Guardian's Julian Borger when CNN reported.
Q: What was your reaction when CNN broke the story?
Kramer: I believe my words were "Holy shit."
Kramer was meeting w/The Guardian's Julian Borger when CNN reported.
P. 68
Q: When did you first speak to Mr. Steele after the publication of The Memos?
Kramer: Within an hour after they were published.
Q: And what did Mr. Steele say to you?
Kramer: He was shocked
Q: When did you first speak to Mr. Steele after the publication of The Memos?
Kramer: Within an hour after they were published.
Q: And what did Mr. Steele say to you?
Kramer: He was shocked
P. 96
Q: Did he tell you why they had called The New York Times to talk to them about it?
Kramer: They felt it required investigation by a serious news outlet, and they seemed to have chosen The Times at that point.
[Just investigate and leak - don't show the actual doc]
Q: Did he tell you why they had called The New York Times to talk to them about it?
Kramer: They felt it required investigation by a serious news outlet, and they seemed to have chosen The Times at that point.
[Just investigate and leak - don't show the actual doc]
P. 102
Q: Do you know substantively what Senator McCain said to Director Comey?
Kramer: No, and not to the best of my knowledge neither does Mr. Brose. Mr. Brose told me that it was a one-on-one meeting...He did not get a readout.
Q: Do you know substantively what Senator McCain said to Director Comey?
Kramer: No, and not to the best of my knowledge neither does Mr. Brose. Mr. Brose told me that it was a one-on-one meeting...He did not get a readout.
Kramer received Steele's final Dec 13th memo directly from Simpson at a meeting in DC (P. 104)
"It was additional information that had been compiled I believe by Mr. Steele and they felt that I should have it"
"It was additional information that had been compiled I believe by Mr. Steele and they felt that I should have it"
P. 110
Q.· During your conversation with Mr. Bensinger [Buzzfeed], did you tell him that Senator McCain had given The Dossier to the FBI?
Kramer: Yes
Q.· During your conversation with Mr. Bensinger [Buzzfeed], did you tell him that Senator McCain had given The Dossier to the FBI?
Kramer: Yes
P. 119
I gave a copy to Congressman Adam Kinzinger from Illinois.
Q:And why did you give a copy to Congressman Adam Kinzinger?
Kramer: I felt I could trust him, he -- I really got to know him at the Halifax meeting...I felt that someone on that side of Congress should be aware
I gave a copy to Congressman Adam Kinzinger from Illinois.
Q:And why did you give a copy to Congressman Adam Kinzinger?
Kramer: I felt I could trust him, he -- I really got to know him at the Halifax meeting...I felt that someone on that side of Congress should be aware
P. 120
Q: What was his reaction?
Kramer: He read it...he thought it raised serious concerns, but like me he wasn't in a position to vouch for it one way or the other.
Q: Do you know what, if anything, he did with it?
Kramer: I think he put it in his safe or desk drawer.
Q: What was his reaction?
Kramer: He read it...he thought it raised serious concerns, but like me he wasn't in a position to vouch for it one way or the other.
Q: Do you know what, if anything, he did with it?
Kramer: I think he put it in his safe or desk drawer.
P. 121
I did discuss it with John Burks who is the Chief of Staff...to Speaker Ryan.
Q: And can you tell me what that conversation was?
Kramer: It was strictly I showed him the material, he read it, and he didn't have a reaction one way or the other. He just said thank you.
I did discuss it with John Burks who is the Chief of Staff...to Speaker Ryan.
Q: And can you tell me what that conversation was?
Kramer: It was strictly I showed him the material, he read it, and he didn't have a reaction one way or the other. He just said thank you.
From back on P. 33
Q: Did he name the sources or did he describe them to you?
Kramer: There was a piece of paper in which the names were there.
***
Q: Were any of the names people with whom you were already familiar because of your background in Russia?
Kramer: Yes.
Q: Did he name the sources or did he describe them to you?
Kramer: There was a piece of paper in which the names were there.
***
Q: Were any of the names people with whom you were already familiar because of your background in Russia?
Kramer: Yes.
P. 128
Q: you testified that you saw a list when you were with Mr. Steele of five names of sources. You were asked about the seriousness of some of those sources. You saw that list prior to the December Memo being compiled; is that correct?
Kramer: Correct.
Q: you testified that you saw a list when you were with Mr. Steele of five names of sources. You were asked about the seriousness of some of those sources. You saw that list prior to the December Memo being compiled; is that correct?
Kramer: Correct.
P. 128
Q: Do you have any way of knowing whether or not the sources for the December Memo were the same or different from those five sources?
Kramer: I don't know, and the last page where there is a redaction at the very top...that's how I received it.
Q: Do you have any way of knowing whether or not the sources for the December Memo were the same or different from those five sources?
Kramer: I don't know, and the last page where there is a redaction at the very top...that's how I received it.
P. 128
Q: And do you have any information whatsoever on who that source is or what is under that redaction?
Kramer: I do not know.
Additional details from court doc in article at top
/End
Q: And do you have any information whatsoever on who that source is or what is under that redaction?
Kramer: I do not know.
Additional details from court doc in article at top
/End
Addendum:
P. 26
Kramer: [Wood] mentioned that there was the possibility of a video that might have shown the President Elect in a compromising situation.
Q: Was he more specific than that?
Kramer: He mentioned that it was, if it existed, that it was from a hotel in Moscow...
P. 26
Kramer: [Wood] mentioned that there was the possibility of a video that might have shown the President Elect in a compromising situation.
Q: Was he more specific than that?
Kramer: He mentioned that it was, if it existed, that it was from a hotel in Moscow...
P. 26
...when President Elect, before he was President Elect, had been in Moscow.
Q: What was --
Kramer: Of a sexual nature.
Q: What was The Senator's reaction to this?
Kramer: Senator listened very carefully.
...when President Elect, before he was President Elect, had been in Moscow.
Q: What was --
Kramer: Of a sexual nature.
Q: What was The Senator's reaction to this?
Kramer: Senator listened very carefully.
Kramer cont: He didn't really have much in the way of reaction. Sir Andrew said that the person who gathered this was in London and would be willing to meet.
And so The Senator turned to me and asked me if I would go to London to meet with what turned out to be Mr. Steele
And so The Senator turned to me and asked me if I would go to London to meet with what turned out to be Mr. Steele
P. 44
Kramer to McCain upon return: I said I was not in a position to verify this. I also informed him that I did not have a copy of any video which had been mentioned by Sir Andrew when he first raised this. I indicated to him that Mr. Steele indicated he did not have the video
Kramer to McCain upon return: I said I was not in a position to verify this. I also informed him that I did not have a copy of any video which had been mentioned by Sir Andrew when he first raised this. I indicated to him that Mr. Steele indicated he did not have the video
P. 44
Kramer: I said I don't think any of us is in a position to verify, to corroborate or refute this, that's why people who have the means to do so should. Meaning the FBI and CIA.
Kramer: I said I don't think any of us is in a position to verify, to corroborate or refute this, that's why people who have the means to do so should. Meaning the FBI and CIA.
P. 44
Q: Had there been any discussions with Mr. Steele about whether or not he was attempting to obtain the video?
Kramer: He was interested in getting it but did not know how to.
/Fini
Q: Had there been any discussions with Mr. Steele about whether or not he was attempting to obtain the video?
Kramer: He was interested in getting it but did not know how to.
/Fini
Follow-on note on Kramer deposition:
According to UK court documents, Kramer, on behalf of McCain, asked Steele to provide any further intelligence that he had gathered relating to “alleged Russian interference in the US Presidential election.”
According to UK court documents, Kramer, on behalf of McCain, asked Steele to provide any further intelligence that he had gathered relating to “alleged Russian interference in the US Presidential election.”
It was apparently this request from McCain that led Steele to produce his Dec. 13 memo.
It was this "reformulated" dossier that was taken to Nuland & Wallander at State to verify if the dossier “was being taken seriously,” along with Rep. Kinzinger Ryan’s CoS, Jonathan Burks.
It was this "reformulated" dossier that was taken to Nuland & Wallander at State to verify if the dossier “was being taken seriously,” along with Rep. Kinzinger Ryan’s CoS, Jonathan Burks.
