Thread by @stevieanntas

1; I read a lot of whinny men crying about abortion being unfair to men, also about how child support is unfair to men, lets ignore the lies around this like men don't get a say about abortion, they do, or men cant get out of CS, they can. Lets just look at how unfair it all is.

start with conception, in order for a woman to get pregnant sex has to happen, not including IVF.A man has to have an orgasm,a woman may not have one. A woman can have 10 children and never once orgasm, A man must orgasm to be a dad, so unfair to men right?

3; contraception, the most effective device to prevent unwanted pregnancy is a condom, but it reduces pleaser in men slightly. Every form of birth control for women includes hormones that can produce all sorts of symptom's, anything from headaches to stoke, unfair on men right?

4;women find out they are pregnant
because they miss a period or start vomiting. Men find out when women tells them. Man gets to decide if he will stick around or leave. Women gets choice of painful procedure or pregnancy that will change her body and her life, so unfair on men.

If she chooses abortion she must follow the regulations of the state or country, in my state that means traveling interstate ,unless I'm lucky I caught it early enough for a medical abortion ,then I just get really bad cramps for a week or so. so unfair to men?

6; The man can choose to come or not, he got to say what he thought and now its on her both emotionally and physically. So on the plane she would go ,then she has to face protestors at the clinic, be called a murderer. No one calls him a murderer even if he chose it too.

7; So if she chose to keep it she is in for months of morning sickness (its not just mornings) cramps, emotional roller coaster, she may face discrimination at work loose her job even. She will be exhausted all the time. He gets to walk away or choose to support her.

8' for him if he stayed a pregnancy is filled with irritating requests and financial concerns, for her it is pain sleepless nights , fear and also joy for them both.

9; birth, a guy can choose to not be part of this at all or he can come and be uncomfortable in a chair for hours while she suffers the worse pain imaginable pushing a watermelon out of a 10 cm hole. She is literally risking her life, over 800 women a DAY die in child birth.

10,baby is born ,woman gets to decide to keep it or not. Either way her body is permanently changed, birth injuries can last a life time. Adoption is a very painful process, man if its being put up for adoption has long ago left. she has sore breasts that make unused milk.

She has stitches or grazes or possibly a serious surgery to recover from. He has nothing. physical to recover from, so unfair to men.

12; If she keeps it she now has to take care of a new born while recovering, she has to learn how to breast feed,or learn how to make bottles, infant care ext. In most cases she will do this alone while he, if he stuck around is working. She will have no sleep for weeks

13; she gets a lot of joy out of this but a lot of pain, he gets joy and the closest thing to pain is to his wallet and only then if he chooses to support her. At every step he has choices that do not harm his body or his career or really change his life any more than he chooses.

14; A good dad will now feel an impact ,his life choices now revolve around his family even a bad mother will do the same. A bad dad will act like a single man while benefiting from having a family. Men with a family do better at work getting more promotions.

15;A woman will suffer financial hardships that will always be there for her whole life. She looses time at work that will impact on her chances of promotion ,she will be seen as a burden if she takes time off to tend her children and be seen as a bad mother if she doesn't.

16; if she is a SAHM she will be shamed for being unproductive and be seen as his burden, if she works she will be judged as less of a mother. If he chooses to be a SAHD he will be shamed by some men but will be the hero to many. He will be both praised and patronised .

17; Child support is not gender specific so if the dad has custody the mother pays same as dad would if she has custody. But CS is not often enough to cover half the child's needs so the custodial parent has to pay for more than their fair share. That is more often the mother.

18;no that is not because courts are unfair, that's because in the majority of relationship break downs the man chooses not to have shared care. In cases where men ask for shared care they almost always get it, if it gets to court it can go either way depending on circumstances

19; so if she has majority care she will struggle to get work ,CS doesn't cover much ,this is why single mothers are often in poverty, the whole childbirth thing can mean they can not get back to work with no support or they get lower paying jobs ,work part time and so on.

20; after divorce both parties loose some financially but statistics show men recover and then go on to being better off while women do not recover and are rarely better off. The whole she gets the house thing only works for the rich! .Most women loose out.

So lastly, next time you feel the need to say its unfair on men that they don't get to choose abortion, think on this, is it really unfair? is it his body at risk? is it his life that will change? He chooses by walking out ,he chooses by staying. These choices impact her choice.

Oh just one thing I forgot, statistics tell us DV often gets worse during pregnancy. Abusive men beat pregnant women more ! But no say right ?

It has been brought to my attention I left out a situation where a man wants to keep a pregnancy but the woman says no. In this unlikely situation the man is free to take that fetus and grow it in his own uterus.What you say? He can't? My point !

Pregnancy is not an exercise in fairness, if it were the burden would be shared .