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Pros for sales tax: Everyone pays it.
Con: It happens at point of purchase, which can surprise people. Since council is considering a 40% tax, that could be a big shock.
City has experience with this bc of the sugary drinks tax.
Also, it's super complex for the city to do.
It's an excise tax; they have list of distributors.
Technology has come a long way since then, Bob!
One or two, staff says.
Carr: That would be staff's preference.
Staff: On everything but cigarettes.
Yates: So if we make it an excise tax, it will be a tax on the tax?
Tax on tax.
Weaver: Cigarettes are kept behind the counter, so there is a pretty typical place for them to go.
Carr: I think so. We have some experience with marijuana. We can legislate by the register, certain size and type.
"It seems as if sales tax would be most efficient."
$3 per pack = 43% and 83% respectively
$4 per pack = 64% and 104%
Wants to nix a cigarette tax and wait for the state to act, but go forward on e-cigs.
Suggests a Phase 2 for "additional barriers" on cigarettes.
Seconds idea to do a Phase 2 for cigarette taxes.
"We're trying to solve a problem. We don't want to transfer the problem."
"We'll just deal with vaping tax right now then," Jones says.
If state does $1/pack tax, I want to come back and do $2/pack add-on. If they do 15% on e-cigs, I want to come back and do a 25% add-on.
Weaver: "I'll support that. I'll also point out that will drive ppl ti cigarettes."
"I feel a little uncomfortable changing the number at the last minute."
Jones. "It's a voter decision. I just want to pick the right number."
Jones: Idk if we have data, this is a new thing.
Carr: I put that in as a placeholder bc it's what other towns were using.
Yates: We do have a couple biz in town that all they sell is vaping products. If we do a ban, we're really shutting down those two businesses. At least one is locally owned; has personally guaranteed the lease.
Yates: I thought we took out other tobacco products from the ban.
Jones: Then you're stopping cessation products.
Man, it's almost like they haven't spent enough time on this.
Carr: We could add it in.
Jones: But then you're getting into marijuana.
Jones: "The thing that's really sinister about nicotine is you get addicted to it and you can't get off."
Weaver: I think nicotine is the active....
Carlisle: I think that's correct that even in nicotine free, there's trace amounts.
Groans from the audience.
Weaver: It's four months. That gives ppl time to sell their inventory.
Someone in the audience says no.
Weaver: Do you think there's not 22 y.o. in Boulder whose going to go out and buy a bunch and sell them to younger ppl? "I think ppl will see this as a biz opportunity."
Jones: I think Louisville will have to take this up soon.