Jones jumps in to thank staff. "You have done a very in-depth public process. It has spanned multiple years."
Morzel dittoes that. (Dittos?)
That's correct, Gatza says.
Young: It's in the comp plan!
Except the neighbors don't want more housing. They've been very clear on that.
She's thanking staff, too. "Its is a tremendous effort."
"I'm talking build vs. buy."
Where is there anything that big? Let alone available for sale?
Carlisle agrees with him, with more concerns about putting employees on the west side of town "when the city is moving east."
"But the future will eventually be out east."
Jones: I don't think it's either/or. It's both/and.
Buildings right now aren't built to evolve along with them. The future ones will be.
Kinda Carlisle's point. Re-stating her claim about where ppl live.
Brockett: But transit out (east) isn't great. It is here.
Meschuk: Either. You could make it 5 years, 10 years or criteria based.
Young: What's staff's preference.
Gehr: Criteria based better signals your intention to the community.
He prefers doing the whole area plan with phasing. No land use changes outside of the hospital site.
No, rest of council says: Land use and vision, yes, but zoning is separate.
Morzel: Why can't we do land use and zoning at the same time so we're not dragging it out?
Then you would change BVCP land use map and rezone the city site.
It is not.
Land use: These are the uses we want here (housing, retail, etc.)
Zoning: We want this height, these setbacks, pitched roofs, etc.
But prob not zoning; we do need to do more outreach.
Jones: That's what we're doing now.
Morzel: That's what we've been doing for years.
Jones: "We have to stop this conversation. I'm going to go crazy."
Jones: Can everybody live with that?
No, Carlisle (and maybe Morzel) says.
Young: That's doing a single-parcel area plan, and I *SWORE* I would never do that again.
Young: If something comes in and it redevelops as a four-story office building, I'll be the first one to say I told you so.
NO, from almost everyone.
Jones: omg we had four years of meetings!
Weaver breaks in to remind there is another hearing on Sept. 24. "It's not a decision tonight; it's guidance to staff."
Morzel: From my perspective, consolidating city services on SE corner of east block. I'm happy putting housing, but I would not be too open for civic uses (on the ground floor).
So for east block: civic, residential, retail, mixed use.
Yates: Are we agreeing to any density or height?
Yates is agreeing with Cindy! "We still have a public hearing to go through, and I don't think we're ready for a public hearing. I'm not going to agree to anything tonight."
Yates: We just heard from ppl last night. We've/They've had 24 hrs to digest it.
Morzel: No. They've had years to participate.
Carlisle: "So I'll say not 55 ft."
Carlisle: That's great. It's not what Sam read.
Weaver: It is.
Morzel: 68 ft.
High-density residential 2 (stacked apartments, 3 floors, with potential extra height above 35 to allow for pitched roofs; 100-ft setback)
Brockett: You're not in the minority of not liking it.
Townhome-style homes. 3 stories.
You could, is the answer. "We'd need to write it into the zoning and look at that later," someone from city says.
Brockett: If it were right at the park, I think it's a cool idea, but it's across 9th Street... I don't support that
Ding ding ding, Jones says.
The few neighbors in the room are giving thumbs up.
They're using a map to answer this, which is hard to describe. But ONLY Pavilion building and parking garage can go up to 55ft, Meschuk says.
Morzel not in favor.
Yates agreeing with Brockett and Carlisle.
"I would want to own Iris and Broadway." But we need to know what that might cost.
I must have missed that...?
Morzel: "You told me this afternoon" you were against this.
Yates: "I'm not optimistic."
Odd, since they are so concerned about traffic. The study shows offices will bring more vehicle trips at rush hour than housing would.
Brockett asks about Holiday's model of market and affordable ownership units interspersed.
Yep, Firnhaber says, likely in the West Block.
Morzel cool with that. She thinks neighbors would be cool with it, too. "Especially if there's affordability," Jones adds.
Yes, staff says.
Yates: Can you give me an example of anywhere else in town we get 90 units in an acre?
The range for the part of the site is 60-90 units, staff says. But you really don't know until you get further into the process.
With BoCo: 120-170.
Weaver: We'll have to do test fits on the county property as well.
I speak a little bit. Just enough to get by, order a beer.
Brockett: Sometimes it's really full.
Suggests a "small traffic circle."
Gatza: It depends on how much office v housing is there. We could share bc of the day/night thing.
Meschuk: We don't want to make over-assumptions about car turnover during the day.
Morzel: I'm not interested in building for cars. I recognize ppl have them. Where this site is, we don't need a lot of parking.
Meschuk: A future phase. But do you want us to gray it out completely or say this is what we've already thought of.
Gray it out completely, council says.
Weaver: Even if landmarking were to happen, there is development potential in surface parking lots?
No volunteers for that.
Council discussing giving Nagle a shot at it. "If she wants it, I'll step aside," Weaver says, laughing. (You also should have seen Jones face.)