Thread by @mmpandit

For beginners in astronomy, a short thread on the 31+ observations of the planetary positions of the Mahabharata AND what it means when anybody says that they have corroborated ALL of them in their thesis. Should you believe them? Or not? Read on.

Here we go. Out of these 31+ positions, 22 relate to graha positions.
Let me go one by one so that you begin to realise the importance of what I am telling you.
4 observations of Saturn, the slowest moving related to 3 positions.

4 observations of Saturn, the slowest moving graha related to 3 possible positions.
These are at Rohini, Purvaphalguni, Vishakha. To give you the idea, right now Saturn is at Purvashadha where it was this last year. It spends 2.5 years approx in a sign!!

So, there is a gap of few years between each of Saturn’s possible positions in Purvaphalguni, Rohini and Vishakha...
NOBODY can corroborate ALL of them in one year!!! 😂😂

So here are Saturn’s possible positions in the Mahabharata war:
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https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1193891701443706886?s=21

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1193891701443706886

So, you see the basic difficulty in saying that one corroborated all 3 positions, consisting of 4 verses related to Saturn in their Mahabharata thesis?
I corroborate 2 verses related to Saturn in 3067BCE.
Now the funny part is that, in 5561BCE NOT a single verse is corroborated.

Now we come to Jupiter.
Jupiter has three verses, related to three possible positions.
Jupiter moves around the zodiac in 13 years, spends 13 months per sign.
There are 2.25 Nakshatras per sign.
Jupiter CANNOT stay at a nakshatra for a year.

Please understand the basics of astronomy here.
Next, let me show you the Nakshatras in Virgo to Libra:
0-10 deg Virgo: UPhalguni
10-23:20deg Virgo: Hasta
23:20-30 Virgo: Chitra

0- 6:40 Libra: Chitra contd.
6:40-20 deg Libra: Swati
20-30 deg Libra: Vishakha

If I say that any planet/graha stays “Sameepa” or near a Nakshatra Vishakha, for a year, then what does it mean?
Does near Vishakha, mean, Uttarashadha?
Does near Vishakha mean Hasta/Chitra?
Are our Rishis not knowing what they speak?

Consider the number of Nakshatras in the middle of each of these:
So counting from Vishakha, we have, Anuradha, then Jyestha, then Mula, then Purvashadha, THEN Uttarashadha!!
This is where Jupiter lies in 5561BCE.
4+ Nakshatras away is “Sameepa” or “near” Vishakha.
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Imagine, the mindless confusion, if today when Jupiter is at Mula, I was to describe him as being near Vishakha, which is 2.5 Nakshatras away.
Public would consider me a fool if I said that!! No?
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Shall we go further?
Suppose today, I was to tell you that I just saw Halley’s Comet at Pushya. Absolutely. 100%.
What would you tell me?
Do you understand the mindless confusion created. You would look at the sky and ask me: “Are you well, Manish?”
No?

You would tell me in the situation that Halley’s comet has a period of 75.32 years AND cannot be seen with the naked eye despite my excellent eyesight, no matter what.

Similarly, Halley’s can’t be seen in 5561BCE, it’s an impossibility, BUT corroborated by Oak!!!
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Please note that if I told you, that today, Dec 7, 2019, I just saw Halley’s Comet in the sky, you wouldn’t believe me would you?
Then when you know that the period is 75.32 years why would you believe anyone if they said they corroborated it in 5561BCE?
It’s an impossibility.

Now, let’s come to Mars positions:
In reality there are only two possible positions for Mars in the Mahabharata.
UNLESS I SPECULATE!!
If I speculate, then anything can become Mars!

Did you know, that in the Mahabharata Critical Edition there are 9 grahas with ambiguous names, let me show you what they are:
Shweta, Dhuma, Pavaka, Pavakaprabha, Dhruva, Lohitango, Parusha, Tivra and Shyama!!
We can speculate as to their names, BUT will be correct?

Let’s have some fun: Take these names n think of a planet:
Shweta, Dhuma, Pavaka, Pavakaprabha, Dhruva, Lohitango, Parusha, Tivra and Shyama!!

Now, enjoy. U will call one graha by one name, another by a 2nd, a third by a 3rd. Even Raghavan doesn’t escape, what to say of others.

Can ANYBODY claim that they have definitely corroborated these 9 names?
Is it actually possible?
Think a little and apply human intelligence.
So now you see how hollow the claim of verifying 31+ planetary positions is?

Now, let’s ask you a basic question.
Can you see Uranus, Neptune and Pluto with your naked eyes?
The answer is NO.
If I said that I can see them and started putting Tivra graha to Pluto for example, will you believe me?

Here is the actual situation. Check out:
In 5561BCE.

If you use the same parameters in real life used to corroborate stuff, as I showed in this thread, then you can also corroborate everything.
BUT please understand, that it won’t stand the test of scrutiny nor of time.

This is Mahabharata, it was a Dharma Yuddha.

So far I have shown you how 17 out of 22 observations in 5561 BCE cannot be corroborated (4 for Saturn, 3 for Jupiter + 9 ambiguous + one out of 2 for Mars)
Now you ask what about the other 5?

So, in 5561BCE, three verses relating to Mercury alone and one relating to Mercury along with three grahas is present. One verse on Venus.
This is the 5 remaining observations of the 22.
Then I will come to Sun, Moon together and with others. Vaha bhi 5561BCE fail hai.

The verses relating to Mercury alone don’t show ANY position of Mercury. As far as the Tiryak rising of Mercury, I can show it in virtually every year. Anybody can!! 😂😂😂

Now the question arises:
What of the 9+ observations related to the Sun and the Moon ?
Out of these 2 are on a seven graha blazing conjunction excluding Sun and Moon.
But we know that planets are only 5. So what do you think?

Well, if I told you that for example there is a 7 blazing graha conjunction going on (implying that it’s visible) BUT claimed that I can see Uranus, Neptune and Pluto with my eyes as part of 7 grahas ... then what will you say?
A: You will tell me to get my eyes tested na?

This is the so called corroborated 7 graha conjunction of 5561BCE happening twice which needs Uranus, Neptune etc as part of them hypothesis.
Is it realistic?
A: Obvious answer is no.
2 more observations debunked.

What remains in the 9+ observations is the Solar and lunar eclipses and the two eclipses in a short fortnight of 13 days.
BUT are you people aware when these eclipses happen according to the text? Before the war or during the war?

Guess what blunder happened in 5551BCE dating?

Vyasa meets Dhritarastra and explains about the eclipses which have occured BEFORE THE WAR!!!
Do you realise what massive blunder has occurred in 5561BCE?
The eclipses are during the war in 5561BCE ! 😂😂😂😂

Now let’s come to the famous table on Moonphase data on the war which shows you the blunders which happened in taking analogies NOT observations of the sky into account.
You know the absurdities here already!!

Now, you all know that the war cannot occur on an Amavasya already from my paper below.
THAT MEANS to hammer home my point, you understand THAT Solar eclipse CANNOT occur on first day of the war!! (5561BCE debunked)
academia.edu/40920097/Why_T…

So amongst your 31+ observations on planetary positions, what survives? Most of them are NOT Corroborated!!
Aur batau?

Now the question arises: What about this business of “Sanjaya narrating to Dhritarastra the Gita after Bhisma falls on the 10th day”
It’s Sanjay Gita.
The actual Bhagwad Gita is Margashirsha Shukla Ekadashi after which war starts NOT on Kartika Amavasya!!
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Heard a brand new theory today for 5561BCE:
Check out.
According to this theory war starts on “Kartika Amavasya
BUT BUT
Gita Jayanti is on 10th day of war (“ which surprise surprise jumps to next lunar month Margashirsha Shukla Ekadashi.
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Matlab:
In 5561BCE, Kartika mahiney main war, Margashirsha main Gita!
Justified? I am amazed. Now Gita delivered 1 month after the war?
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Nilesh Oak’s thesis for 5561BCE is based on
1. Kartika Amavasya start to war
2. Adhika Masa to explain 10/11 pre war observations
3. Moon phase data to explain last 7 days of war
4. Conjecture of dust storm covering early Moon rise.
5. Bhisma Asta Navatee conjecture

I have now disproved each one of these points in great detail.
Point 1 in particular is covered in great detail where he makes the conjecture of a dust storm covering an earlier Moonrise. Disproved.
academia.edu/40920097/Why_T…

Point 2 was the Adhika Masa claimed by him on various pages of his book including his table. I have disproved this completely. Check
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https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1190816403517005824?s=21

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1190816403517005824

Point 3 was the detail I have shown in 5561BCE Moonphase data which turned out was NOT Moonphase data at all BUT analogies and absurdities!
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Point 4 is the conjecture of the dust storm he uses to cover the late Moonrise on 14th day of war.
I have smashed this completely.
Not only did NO such dust storm take place, I proved that it was a waning phase Moonrise in my paper above. Do read. First time observation by anyone

The Error Elimination experiments he conducted for each of these were a complete failure BECAUSE he identified NO error, so how could he eliminate it!😂😂😂
Check
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The Moonphase Error Elimination experiments deserved a special table of their own.
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Finally the Asta Navatee (98 day) conjecture made for Bhisma Asthami is smashed completely.
I won’t reveal the 20 more blunders he made till the debate. But check Bhisma’s words and think. A free coffee to anyone who can think of what big blunder happened!!

Check the other reference to Bhisma Astami.
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Shanti Parva Yudhisthira’s words.
What is the secret hidden in last 2 slides?

There are many more mistakes made in 5561BCE research. I will point out the references and the mistakes later. These itself prove that 5561BCE cannot be the date of the war.

The anniversary to Gita Jayanti on Margashirsha Shukla Ekadashi approaches soon:
Our robust and comprehensive claim for 3067BCE includes all of these below

To read the entire thesis on FB, check
facebook.com/1157869501/pos…

5561BCE thesis: Can’t make this up
You now have an analogy of a full Moon at Chaitra masa(Error experiment 38) on the 12th day of the war (In Kartika/Margashirsha) along with an analogy of a full Moon at Vishakha on the 16th day of the war..... all within a space of just 4 days.

Now the question arises, what about the entire timeline which is being shown by Oak for 5561BCE? On how many parameters does each of these timelines fail and by how much?

You saw the 70+ Error Elimination experiments done for 5561BCE. I showed you how these have failed miserably in eliminating any errors in preceding tweets. Nearly every set of observations should lead to a conclusion. But what if you take the wrong conclusion every time?

Previously we showed how two TL’s of war reversed on 5561BCE. (War n eclipses) Now we come to another reversed timeline in 5561BCE contrary to textual epic reference of Shalya Parva. From pp122 and 123 of Nilesh Oak’s own book.
Balarama’s pilgrimage Nakshatras reversed as well.

There are numerous other timeline errors made in 5561BCE, which are somewhat more subtle but with even greater impact.. but come to my workshop and I will show you those too.
NO other date other than 3067BCE fits all the references and Moon phase data.

Let me repeat. It’s my open challenge to any researcher to come and debate astronomy of Mahabharata with me, unedited and on camera.
Bring it on.
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https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1196841359224770560?s=21

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1196841359224770560

By the way, I can corroborate every timeline of Mahabharata exactly in 3067BCE. Precise time lines corroboration.

Now, there is a claim on Bhisma Nirvana on pp 131/132 of Oak’s book on “Dating the Mahabharata war.”
Come to my workshop tomorrow to find out exactly how I corroborated each of his 5 conditions listed therein (after correction of just 1) in 3067 BCE.

Come to my workshop tomorrow to find out exactly what the mistakes are in every other bit of research on the Mahabharata war except in 3067BCE.
What makes the timeline of 3067BCE so perfect? What’s so unique in it.
Come to Gita Bhavan tomorrow.