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Thread by @BenCKinney: "Next talk: “On aliens and robots: moral status, epistemological and (meta-)ethical considerations" by Keith Abney! (These are 20min […]" #SoCIA18

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Next #SoCIA18 talk: “On aliens and robots: moral status, epistemological and (meta-)ethical considerations" by Keith Abney!
(These are 20min talks, so they'll come fast & furious.)
How do robot ethics inform alien ethics? Robot Ethics definitely a big question, what with lethal autonomous weapons systems being developed. (Abney is from a group with a neutral position - finds some anti-roboweapon arguments compelling, others not)
Robots aren't responsible for their actions, so giving them autonomy is a big problem. But the issues change (in the future) if the robots themselves become full moral agents. How will we test that?
Is there a "moral Turing test?" Would it be the same for aliens, humans, and robots? One proposal is the "Turing triage test:" is there any point where you might choose to save a robot instead of a human (if you can only save one)?
Our speaker does NOT like that test, mind you.
Mixes up intrinsic vs external value, instrumental vs final value. A bad question, like "which would you save, my life or all the gold in Fort Knox?"
I mean, it's not an incoherent question (especially in a terrible action movie), but it's not asking about moral agency/personhood/etc. More of "wrong question" than "bad question."
If rights are derivative (social contract based), then neither robots nor aliens have any. Maybe better to think about basic rights (natural/universal; part of personhood). Those rights can't be taken away by social contract - inalienable! Pun intended.
But, correlativity theses: no rights without responsibilities. Being killed by a natural disaster isn't violation of your rights. (I think I missed why that last line was relevant.)
Whence does intrinsic value arise? Life (biocentrism)? Everything (cosmocentrism)? Rationality (logocentrism)? Capacity for pleasure/pain/consciousness (sentientrism)?
Lots of people think it's sentience. But our speaker is logocentric instead. These things need to have moral reasoning. Ex: trees might well experience pleasure/pain, but they aren't moral beings.
Various arguments for/against sentientrism, though I won't recount most the things he sets up & knocks down.
Philosophical Hedonism (pleasure = good, pain = bad) is trouble because it sends you to wirehead-ism. (The good life is electrical stimulation of brain pleasure centers!)
Confusion between intrinsic, final, and extrinsic/instrumental value. Are the values inherent? Do some things have value just as they are, the goal themselves? Etc. Some of these entail the others, but not always.
E.g. Saturn's rings, as objects of beauty, have final end (they're not valuable toward some other purpose), maybe have instrumental value (I want them to exist), but there's nothing intrinsic to it - it's all about observer aesthetics.
Terraforming (destorying alien biospheres) has no *intrinsic* problems, he says, but can still have instrumental moral problems.
Precautionary principle: if you're not sure of implications, take it slow! Destroying alien bacteria might be fine (no intrinsic value to them), but we don't know their instrumental value, so hold on there terraformbuddies.
Not everyone in the audience believes that intrinsic value arises from the capacity for self-value. If I'm the only conscious being in the universe, but I don't value my life, do I have instrinsic value?
Audience members note that this line of reasoning gives no intrinsic moral value to a 6mo baby. Others say the intrinsic/instrumental distinction may just be doing more harm/confusion than good. Contention! Excellent.
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