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#AssemblyTransport @Heidi_LDN sticking to @TfL's story told in 24 July 18 Memo to Board content.tfl.gov.uk/24-july-2018-b…

@Heidi_LDN @TfL which is entirely contradicted by @MLiebreich letter to @MayorofLondon on Monday saferoxfordstreet.blogspot.com/2019/09/bombsh…

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon Now @GarethBaconAM asks about timing of missing Fatigue Audit IA17780 - @MLiebreich says "odd coincidence" that reports come out after Safety Panel Meetings.

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM re @MLiebreich comment on "Blogosphere" I notified @raibgovuk & @railandroad @IanProsser7 on 19 January 2018 that Fatigue Audit IA 17780 existed ...before that, the Croydon Crash Investigator did not know the report existed.

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @MLiebreich takes issue with CHOREOGRAPHING Fatigue Audit. @Heidi_LDN takes issue "Nobody should take it as a conspiracy"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon asks about who attended meetings. @MLiebreich confirms HSE Director Jill Collis & @TfL Surface Transport @LeonDaniels attended all the meetings. "YES"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels The issue is not "choreography" the issue is who was responsible for sending IA 17780 to @raibgovuk @railandroad @BTP?

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @MLiebreich "it is so extraordinary IA 17780 wasn't sent"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Heidi_LDN is now trying the classic bureaucratic trick "You signed off on the meeting minutes and sending IA 17780" wasn't missing. @CarolinePidgeon now brings in @TfL Garden Bridge shenanigans over minutes. What about @Crossrail? Any things "missed" in minutes? HMMM?

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @Heidi_LDN "substantively things weren't changed" YEAH RIGHT! HT>@alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK
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@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @Heidi_LDN talks about "dialogue between @TfL & @FirstGroupplc on Fatigue Audit IA17780" BUT FORGETS TO MENTION @raibgovuk @SNCLavalin were INVESTIGATING SAME ISSUES AT THE SAME TIME, and THEY NEVER GOT THE AUDIT

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @Heidi_LDN tries to shift attention away from #CroydonTram #CoverUP & tries to focus on "everything that's been done to improve tram safety" Listen to what @FinnBrennan told @LondonAssembly 15 May

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @Heidi_LDN trying to convince public that "lessons have been learned" in audits and a new safety culture exists...@MLiebreich intervenes: "This is 7 months AFTER #CrodyonCrash & starts listing problems.

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @MLiebreich "the issue is NOT 'things are better now" but "What is the Audit Process?" "What is NORMAL at @TfL?" "It is not NORMAL for Line Managers who've been in charge to have access to audit material and be involved in Audits."

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @MLiebreich "This isn't an HSE Question. This is an Audit & Assurance Question" @Heidi_LDN says "Happy to involve General Cousel" Hmmm...is that a good thing? #CHOREOGRAPHING

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @Heidi_LDN tries to brush off importance of Fatigue Audit IA17780 as a factor in determining @raibgovuk investigation.

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @Heidi_LDN running down the clock...it will be interesting if @MLiebreich has any views on whether or not Fatigue was an issue in Croydon Crash Investigation Conclusions. I seem to recall it was deemed to be a root cause in @SNCLavalin investigation

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @MLiebreich now brings in the issue of "Just Culture" - "Drivers are People. They are not Machines. They must be treated like People. You can't just shine a light in their eyes and punish them for being tired" You got that @therealdojj @MalLunam @BusSafetyRep @wimbledonmac?

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly The fact that head of @FirstGroupplc says in front of @LondonAssembly "no indication of any problems"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly that fact that the head of @FirstGroupplc tells @LondonAssembly "it takes 3 years to build a safety culture" @MLiebreich "WE DON'T HAVE 3 YEARS"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @Heidi_LDN clearly 'running down the clock" enumerating all the good stuff @TfL is doing on #TramSafety while avoiding the very fact that it NEVER INVESTIGATED why IA7780 didn't get sent to Tram Crash Investigators.

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @MLiebreich "I'm more concerned how lessons from #CroydonCrash aren't being learned by Bus Operators" - cf. "All Roads Lead to Croydon" saferoxfordstreet.blogspot.com/2018/04/do-all…

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @GarethBaconAM asks @MLiebreich more about @MayorofLondon rejection of an Independent Investigation on 18 July Liebriech's response: "There was NO INVESTIGATION"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @Heidi_LDN digging her heels and rejecting Independent Investigation of why @TfL didn't send IA17780 to Investigators. "Mistakes were made" but basically "it didn't make a difference in the @raibgovuk report" so "No Harm. No Foul"? Admits "some mistakes" but sees no merit in it

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @Heidi_LDN says she has no concerns that lessons haven't been learned. @GarethBaconAM chides her for "slightly lengthy answer" and says @MLiebreich still has questions. What have you got to lose if you're so confident?"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @GarethBaconAM asks "wouldn't it be better if @TfL didn't mark their own homework?"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @MLiebreich "I find this extraordinary. There was a question about a Conflict of Interest at the time. There is a Police Investigation is going on now. There is Coroner's Investigation is going on now. It is not for us to ask what evidence is necessary."

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @MLiebreich asks @Heidi_LDN "have you seen any evidence that there was an investigation why IA 17780 wasn't sent? Issue of Transparency. What evidence exists that this particular issue was investigated?"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @Heidi_LDN now doing MASSIVE ARM-WAVING about all the HAPPY CLAPPY THINGS @TfL's doing on Safety...BUT PUBLIC IS NONE THE WISER: What evidence is there that @TfL investigated why IA 17780 was not sent to Crash Investigators.

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK now asking: Why were Line Managers not "separated" from Audit Report. Concern about someone who's actions are being investigated by @raibgovuk getting access to IA 17780? Why was Audit Process not separted? @FloEshalomi trying to shut down line of inquiry.

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK @FloEshalomi @Heidi_LDN "Quite happy for Commissioner to write to you" "Don't read 'conspiracy' into it. @ShaunBaileyUK says "this is about process, not about 'conspiracy'

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK @FloEshalomi @KeithPrinceAM intervenes "There seem to be lots of flaws about the process. An Independent Investigation would shine some Transparency on the process. @Heidi_LDN pushes back "I am happy to discuss all the issues that changed between First Draft and Last Draft of IA17780"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK @FloEshalomi @KeithPrinceAM @KeithPrinceAM "we remain unconvinced that this has been handled transparently"

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK @FloEshalomi @KeithPrinceAM @tomcopley asks about Victims. @Heidi_LDN describes some actions. @MLiebreich comments "there were a lot of actions taken" but what's driving me & why I'm not happy. @FirstGroupplc is telling people "Fatigue was not a Factor."

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK @FloEshalomi @KeithPrinceAM @tomcopley @MLiebreich now "It's been 3 years. I committed to the victims 'lessons would be learned' across the entire Surface Transport network (BUSES). I don't understand why TFL doesn't have a Chief Safety Officer. If we're now getting one, I'd like to think #CroydonCrash made it happen

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK @FloEshalomi @KeithPrinceAM @tomcopley @Heidi_LDN running down clock and cheerleading how safety is important now at @TfL. @FloEshalomi brings up @FirstGroupplc 30 year contract with @TfL. No "break clause' NO SAFETY EITHER london.gov.uk/questions/2017… HT>@CarolinePidgeon

@Heidi_LDN @TfL @MLiebreich @MayorofLondon @GarethBaconAM @raibgovuk @railandroad @IanProsser7 @CarolinePidgeon @LeonDaniels @BTP @Crossrail @alexGspence @BuzzFeedUK @FirstGroupplc @SNCLavalin @FinnBrennan @LondonAssembly @ShaunBaileyUK @FloEshalomi @KeithPrinceAM @tomcopley @FloEshalomi wraps up session & thanks @MLiebreich & @Heidi_LDN for attending. Please read Liebreich's letter to @MayorofLondon AGAIN. Based on Questions he's asked & Deputy Mayor's un-evidenced responses, WE ARE NONE THE WISER re #CroydonCrash #CoverUp saferoxfordstreet.blogspot.com/2019/09/bombsh…