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@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys Sorry, that was out of order.
I apologize.
Your initial question felt like it was a disingenuous trolling attempt, but I see now that perhaps you are genuinely unaware. Perhaps you joined the whole ecosystem after these events and are playing catch-up?
I apologize.
Your initial question felt like it was a disingenuous trolling attempt, but I see now that perhaps you are genuinely unaware. Perhaps you joined the whole ecosystem after these events and are playing catch-up?
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys This split was very bitter at the time, with many people on the ETH majority side (myself included) thinking that ETC chain would die off almost immediately.
At the time there were no examples of contentious hard forks from which both sides survived.
At the time there were no examples of contentious hard forks from which both sides survived.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa When ETC did survive, there was a false narrative that ETC would just get all of ETH applications, because they could just "cut and pasted across".
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa See this from me, at the time, in response to Joe saying that he was working 100% on ETH, and that you needed to replicate the people and businesses - not just the on-chain elements:
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa That "100% ETH" from @ethereumJoseph was in response to Vitalik's statement that he was working 100% on ETH a few days earlier. He had no objection to ETC existing, but was applying none of his own efforts to it:
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph Many within the Ethereum community took up this "100% ETH" meme as if it was some kind of purity pledge, driving the communities apart even quicker.
Some on the ETH side felt that ETC was an attack on Ethereum by speculators just out to make a quick buck.
Some on the ETH side felt that ETC was an attack on Ethereum by speculators just out to make a quick buck.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph Maybe Bitcoiners who had cared nothing for Ethereum to that point, or indeed had actively attack it as a scam, will never work, stupid idea, etc for years were suddenly supportive of ETC. This made the Ethereum side even more suspicious.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex listed ETC, giving it a market.
And @barrysilbert notoriously tweeted about his ETC support and purchases, leading to his delightful "Barry Shillbert" nickname and further conspiracy theory that ETC was an attack on Ethereum:
And @barrysilbert notoriously tweeted about his ETC support and purchases, leading to his delightful "Barry Shillbert" nickname and further conspiracy theory that ETC was an attack on Ethereum:
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert And then also:
@Poloniex is part of the @DCGco portfolio of companies, so of course he engineered all of this, is the devil and his breath smells of sulphur. /s
@Poloniex is part of the @DCGco portfolio of companies, so of course he engineered all of this, is the devil and his breath smells of sulphur. /s
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco So it was all very bitter at the time, and the fact that many blockchain people just felt ETC was aligned with their principles was seen as a smokescreen for the money making.
Indeed, many speculators did jump on this "second bite of the cherry" at the huge gains on ETH.
Indeed, many speculators did jump on this "second bite of the cherry" at the huge gains on ETH.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco And also a bunch of dubious people jumped onto the ETC bus alongside all the genuine people who supported ETC on the basis of their principals.
Incidentally, ETC philosophy is very close to BTC philosophy. Hence the "brotherhood".
Incidentally, ETC philosophy is very close to BTC philosophy. Hence the "brotherhood".
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco This is something which @TokenHash often highlights, saying that ETC is Ethereum technology with BTC philosophy.
It is a decent analogy, though I would disagree that the philosophy is 100% aligned.
Many BTC people are maximalist, and don't believe anything other than BTC works.
It is a decent analogy, though I would disagree that the philosophy is 100% aligned.
Many BTC people are maximalist, and don't believe anything other than BTC works.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash These people feel that the network effects of BTC are such that everything else will die off in time. And so that work on blockchains other than BTC is an implicit attack on BTC - that everyone should be building on top of BTC, because otherwise they are slowing it down.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash Some people would rather see smart contracts as a layer on top of BTC, like @RSKsmart.
Others in BTC while perhaps admiring the ETC DAO fork resistance think Ethereum account model is just a mistake because it does not scale as well as UTXOs (as @mwilcox taught me).
Others in BTC while perhaps admiring the ETC DAO fork resistance think Ethereum account model is just a mistake because it does not scale as well as UTXOs (as @mwilcox taught me).
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox Others in BTC are misaligned with ETC because they think that smart contracts as a whole are useless, because of the oracle problem (like @Truthcoin, who proposes Drivechain as a solution to Bitcoin sidechains), so feel that any Ethereum protocol will be useless.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin TL;DR - It has been a huge mess of hurt feelings and differing opinions in the last few years. But the bad actors who globbed onto ETC at the start are long long, and the good people remain, and are genuinely building up the ETC ecosystem.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin Barry Silbert's breath does not actually smell of sulfur it turns out.
ETC developers are building great tooling now which is actually applicable to ETH as well, and while some mistrust remains between ETH and ETC communities it is very minority. Most people are open to collab.
ETC developers are building great tooling now which is actually applicable to ETH as well, and while some mistrust remains between ETH and ETC communities it is very minority. Most people are open to collab.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr reached out to @pyskell and invited him to speak at EDCON in May 2018, which is where I first met Anthony and started to learn more about the ETC ecosystem. He invited me to speak at ETC Summit in Korea last September. Virgil spoke too.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell And we have kept building bridges ever since. The EF donated 15000 ETC which they still had to the @ETCCooperative to help support the ETC ecosystem. Both EF and Coop funded "Peace Bridge" - a relay between the chains. Both supported Gorli/Kotti testnets for ETH and ETC.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative And then at the end of January of this year I joined the ETC Coop as Executive Director, inevitably raising shouts of "Judas! Sell out" etc at me from the more partisan elements in the ETH community.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative Even in response to this thread I am typing right now, for example, though merkle_tree is no loss. Three times he has attempted to publicly discredit me on the basis of my spells of depression and having been suicidal in the past - shame on him. 
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative Well, the truth is that collaboration across the ETH and ETC communities could have been happening for years, were it not for the partisan elements who wanted nothing to do with each other because of mutual distrust based on misperceptions and misunderstanding.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative Yes, there are ideological differences.
Yes, there is some "market conflict".
What happens when ETH2 launches?
Will ETH1 continue at that point even if that is some subset of the ETH community "unbombing it"?
If ETH2 and ETC coexist then are those competing or complimentary?
Yes, there is some "market conflict".
What happens when ETH2 launches?
Will ETH1 continue at that point even if that is some subset of the ETH community "unbombing it"?
If ETH2 and ETC coexist then are those competing or complimentary?
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative Nobody knows the answers.
But working together makes sense right now. ETC and ETH1 face the exact same problems. They are close, and getting closer. ETC just hardforked in Byzantium op-codes. Istanbul and Constantinople forks will follow in the next year or so.
But working together makes sense right now. ETC and ETH1 face the exact same problems. They are close, and getting closer. ETC just hardforked in Byzantium op-codes. Istanbul and Constantinople forks will follow in the next year or so.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative The "tech gap" is narrowing.
It is becoming easier and easier to port apps back and forth. That was true at the time of the fork too, but the conflict made that politically untenable. You would have to leave the "100% ETH" purity pledge gang.
It is becoming easier and easier to port apps back and forth. That was true at the time of the fork too, but the conflict made that politically untenable. You would have to leave the "100% ETH" purity pledge gang.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative Well, guess what.
That is happening now.
We are getting more and more developers who are open to ETC support.
That is happening now.
We are getting more and more developers who are open to ETC support.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative Hence my wait and watch (with no silly man added this time) because discussions are ongoing with many teams and it is likely that you will see many of your favorite projects and infrastructure supporting ETC in the near future. Maybe including ConsenSys projects too!
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative So in the meantime, why use ETC over ETH1?
One simple reason would be that the network is less congested at the moment, and gas is much cheaper. Save some money. Deploy your dapp on ETC!
One simple reason would be that the network is less congested at the moment, and gas is much cheaper. Save some money. Deploy your dapp on ETC!
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative Many within ETC have been espousing "Build it and they will come" for a while, with the primsry focus being on addressing our protocol and infrastructure shortcomings. That is proceeding very well, and especially with @etclabs emergence we are moving ahead very rapidly now.
@rstormsf @belfordz @ConsenSys @avsa @ethereumJoseph @Poloniex @barrysilbert @DCGco @TokenHash @RSKsmart @mwilcox @Truthcoin @virgilgr @pyskell @ETCCooperative @etclabs So keep your eyes on ETC.
We were never just a protest coin.
Expect ETC to become a really serious option for "Ethereum family" deployment in the coming months.
Expect more dapps and more collaborations.
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We were never just a protest coin.
Expect ETC to become a really serious option for "Ethereum family" deployment in the coming months.
Expect more dapps and more collaborations.
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