I've been seeing some comments on Twitter and elsewhere about the possibility of a so-called #BorderPoll on a #UnitedIreland. This might be a longish thread. 1
If in the the next few years there is a referendum on a united Ireland, the Irish, British, and Northern Irish governments should follow the model of the #RepealThe8th referendum and consult broadly on what the new united country’s constitution should be. 2
It seems to me there are three broad areas that need to be considered.
Firstly, constitutional and governmental. For example would there still be an assembly in #Stormont, and if so what would its powers be? 3
So I hadn't planned on doing another #repealedthe8th/@repeal_shield thread quite so soon. But I'm getting concerned/annoyed by attempts in some quarters to downplay just how nasty & toxic SM was for #repealthe8th activists. So I'm going to talk about that abuse for a moment.
On May 17th @becksk wrote a tweet expressing her feelings about the #8thref & abortion in Ireland, just like thousands of other Irish Women have.
It was eloquent, concise & powerful, & many people agreed, it got 33k likes & 16k retweets, it clearly made an impression. I've talked before about how women sharing their stories about Abortion are a powerful weapon for Pro Choice activists. And Anti choicers know & hate that.
Alot of people are drawing comparisons between trump win the brexit referendum & #repealedthe8th. I think there are important takeaways from the campaign for other groups moving forward, but we should remember, that this referendum was a long time coming.
Speaking personally the 8th was a factor in my political life since my early teens. I remember spotting @taraobrien1 marching against the referendum in '93. This ref was the culmination of a campaign that kicked into gear with the tragic death of Savita Halappanavar 5 yrs ago
To UK ppl talking about Irish vote to #repealthe8th and #brexitshambles, why UK referendums either sink without trace or create massive, unintended geopolitical self-harm: Ireland preps for years, UK turns up at the marathon starting line in novelty costume with no training 1/n
Irish ppl voted on specific change to written constitution, based on a fair idea of what the enacting legislation would be.
Brexit: open-ended question, little discussion of how it would work, no enacting legislation, no clear way to interpret result vis a vis Parliament.
Irish political system worked rigorously through the EVIDENCE and testimony; experts, affected women, etc. in disciplined + public way with a well-reported parliamentary committee to deliberate, resulting in some politicians changing their minds.
Thread on #8thref#repealthe8th#irelandreferendum results. 1) Bottom line: On 25th May 2018, this little guy (12 week scan) & future generations of unborn boys & girls had their right to life in the womb removed from our constitution to introduce abortion
Dedicated to @Terfy_Memes
Plus, a thread on how transwomen retain (at least some) male privilege 👇🏾
What is #maleprivilege? It is freedom, resources, rights, and respect granted instantly to any male person upon (or even before) birth, simply for being male. Having an advantage over another group of humans doesn’t just stop at laws.
When men don’t feel constantly threatened with violence and harassment for just existing. When medical conditions affecting males are given more funding and are more rigorously researched. When men get more pay and are promoted faster due to being seen as more competent in jobs.
How gender identity politics is endangering #WomensRights masquerading under the guise of “progressivism”- or in other words, as I said to this @notokyriarchy fatherfucker, an #MRA’s dream come true
I shouldn’t have to explain the realities of sex-based oppression in 2018! #Female is a biological sex. #Gender is the roles and norms that are imposed on those with female bodies to subjugate them to males for free sexual, domestic, and reproductive labor.
No matter how many genders a given culture had or recognized, somehow, the half of the group with a cock and balls (males) knew which other half of the group to forcibly impregnate (“#NonMen”, according to some). 🤔🤔🤔
What swung the vote to yes (#repealthe8th) was the personal stories of women who had to go abroad, who were forced to carry to term. Meanwhile the UK establishment is bent on going ahead with Brexit in spite of all the heart-rending stories of @The3Million and @BritishInEurope 1/
Never during the Stronger In campaign were we actually talked about as people - with homes, families, friends, who contribute. Axel Scheffler said in his moving speech that the Leave vote hurts and makes him angry every day, it felt like a bitter rejection 2/
The way to dehumanize people is two ways. 1. Numbers game: talk about people in "liquid metaphors" (floods of people, streams of migrants) 2. Linking EU citizens and crime: talk about "EU killers we failed to deport" (@DailyMailUK) 3/
We really need to talk more about #abortion as an option for women.
It's hard to say this and hard to hear it for many, but just because you discover you are pregnant doesn't mean you must carry that pregnancy to term. Your decision will last the rest of your life--and the rest of the life of any child you decide to carry to term. #abortion
And no, I am not advocating #abortion.
I'm advocating thinking about parenthood & all it entails.
Because once you have a child, you can't just walk away from that life.
And women/girls are talked into maintaining pregnancies every day.
More discussion would change that.
[Thread] I want to say something about the #repealthe8th referendum on abortion in Ireland, which is taking place on Friday
I've been surprised and disappointed by how little attention the referendum has received from both British feminists and the media, considering how central it is to women's rights and human rights, and how outrageous Ireland's continuing abortion ban is
Irish feminists are right that British feminists don't pay enough attention to the struggles of Irish women, and they're right to identify a superior colonial attitude as part of the reason for that.
Ok I’m going to share a story with you regarding a crisis pregnancy I had many years ago, I have previously shared this story on my own account but think it might be good to revisit it. I was 15 when I became pregnant, 15 when I gave birth too. My eldest is now 27 #togetherforyes
I concealed my pregnancy for 5.5 months, they were very frightening times indeed. I was in school in 5th year in an all girls school. I went back to school three weeks after delivering my baby. This photo is of my and my lovely little one when she was 4 weeks old #togetherforyes
A quick thread on the use of mental health by antichoicers, and why it’s both harmful and wrong. Mental health is just as important as physical health. Sadly this is something that we’re ignored in this country for too long, and it’s still under resourced. #8thref#together4yes
Antis are claiming that abortion will basically be widespread and a free for all if it’s allowed on mental health grounds. This is insulting not only to women who need abortions, but also further stigmatizes mental health. ➡️
I see a “fact” being thrown around by antis is that “97% of all UK abortions are on mental health grounds”. Yes, 97% of UK abortions are on health grounds. Yes, the majority of these are mental rather than physical health. But it’s misleading to state that this will happen here.
I've started off very shy at work about my pro-choice views. Only close colleagues, who I would consider friends, I would disclose my disgust at the hyprocrisy of the whole thing & how it can effect a person's health.
Over the last 18months every single one of my FB posts has been pretty much about repeal & the same few hardcore repealers like myself would click like on them. None of my colleagues did but whatever...
But surprisingly over the last few weeks, one by one of my fellow nurses have stopped me and on the quite whispered in my ear that they agree with me. I can not tell you how heart warming this is.
(Thread) Last week I spoke at a @DroghedaT4Y public meeting about the 8th amendment's impact on a pregnant woman's right to consent to medical treatment. I read out the orders the HSE asked the High Court to make against Mother B.
I was asked by @Elainemathews09 if they could be read anywhere. So I'm sharing the most noteworthy now.
The first was an order to have the proceedings heard in camera (so they could not be reported). We consented to this for Mother B's privacy. But after we won the case, the HSE fought (unsuccessfully) our application to have this order lifted.
Thread. The first birth I attended, the mother wanted a natural birth. I could tell right away the midwife was not on the same page. She hooked the mother up to a CTG and promised it was just for 20 minutes or so. Over an hour later the mother was begging for it to be removed.
The midwife kept saying just a few minutes more. As labour progressed she wanted to move around and the CTG was really irritating her. The midwife said she had to keep it on because she (the midwife) had an obligation to the baby and needed to keep an eye on it. When we went on
break I queried this. I asked what she meant. She said it was the law and we had to abide by it. Our first and foremost duty was to protect that baby. I didn't know it at the time, but this law was the 8th amendment. I watched this mother navigate the cascade of interventions
A thread on the long running rebellion that eventually forced the government to call a referendum to #repealthe8th - photo is us on the February 1992 X-case march - the point at which the tide turned & lead to the #Together4Yes to get rid of #8thref this May
Our involvement goes further back, WSM formed in 1984 but those members had fought introduction of the 8th as part of the Anti-Amendment Campaign. Felt AAC was too defensive through and there was a need to always include a 'womens right to choose' on every platform
In 1984 Eileen Flynn sacked from teaching job at New Ross convent school - Jesuit priest wrote “Ms Flynn’s pregnancy is significant only as being incontrovertible evidence that her relations with the man in whose house she resided were in fact immoral...
My first time listening to @ghook's Saturday Sit-In. Extremely impressed by @LaraDungan's emphatic argument in favour of #RepealThe8th. A shame it's being broadcast at 8am on a Saturday though. People (myself included) have mixed feelings about George, but it's worth a listen.
I was dismayed to hear the usually wonderful @TLoweBL trying to equate the life of a foetus (or unborn baby if she prefers, but that's a semantic argument) to that of a woman of childbearing age. The two are almost entirely incomparable. #RepealThe8th#TogetherForYes
A foetus and an unborn baby are the same thing. When a foetus is born it becomes a baby. When a baby is born it ceases to be a foetus. The choice of word is a communications decision. As a comms pro, @TLoweBL should understand that better than most. #RepealThe8th#TogetherForYes
For those interested in finding the "correct" answer in the abortion debate, usually an impasse is reached.
Save for those who believe human life begins at conception (and who often believe contraception is also wrong), the conventional wisdom is that life begins at some point between conception and birth, and it is impossible to pinpoint such a date.
Some people look at this problem more deeply and might say that life has NOT begun at X weeks, without saying that that it has, and therefore abortion before X weeks is OK.
Good morning. I'm Claire Cullen-Delsol @DelsolClaire I'm 33, married to Wayne and have two kids, Carla 10 & Nathan 4. I'm a member of @TFMRIRE and have campaigned for #repealthe8th since 2015. Here's me on the right.
A bit of background on me, I was born in Dublin, raised in Carrick on Suir, moved to Cork for College, met Wayne, had Carla, moved to Waterford, got degree, got married, had Nathan. I work full-time for a not-for-profit, and my hobbies include food & jigsaw puzzles.
In 2015 I found out I was pregnant with our 3rd baby. Nathan was only 1, Carla was 7. I was working a job with a 100km commute & long hours & pregnancy was not in the plan. But as my dad says, "we plan, God laughs". It didn't take long to get excited about another baba.