1/A TON of discussion/debate this weekend over "Liberal Order".
Several people found the debate(s) helpful, so I tried to consolidate it below (with a bit of commentary).
#ChicagoIntroIR2018: this is NOT required reading, but it touches on several points raised in class!
Several people found the debate(s) helpful, so I tried to consolidate it below (with a bit of commentary).
#ChicagoIntroIR2018: this is NOT required reading, but it touches on several points raised in class!
2/The weekend debate started with this tweet from @shifrinson 
3/Things went in multiple directions at that point.
4/One direction was debating if Liberal Order was truly a post-1945 phenomenon or should instead by associated with G.H.W Bush's New World Order
5/Another direction was debating Ikenberry's role in creating the phrase and whether the phrase "Liberal" should be associated with "good"
6/There was then a brief discussion about whether focusing on "Liberal Order" does a disservice to our broader understanding of "order" as a concept:
7/Next came discussion on the Liberal v Illiberal balance of policies in a "Liberal Order" (more on that below)
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8/This Liberal v Illiberal balance, combined with comments by @dhnexon, prompted the following question from me (and brief side exchange on the history of the word "Hegemony" with @smsaideman & @daninedal)
10/At this point, @ProfSaunders then raised the thing everyone else was dancing around...Realism. Needless to say, this sparked an EXTENSIVE exchange!
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11/@KSchultz3580 took it a step further by raising the issue of actual US intentions in the immediate post-WWII period
12/This led @profmusgrave to take issue with the debate and offer a useful list of "Further Reading" (all of which is #IR_True_NonTrivial work)
13/So I think that covered it. I agree with @mladen_lisanin & @hilderestad that this was a pretty amazing exchange
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Addendum: @dhnexon offered some addition thoughts (and cites and references to earlier tweets) based on the above thread. Thought I would add them there:
Addendum 2: I left out @smsaideman's properly-qualified, Canadian-informed defense of Liberal Order:
