Thread by @jpdanner

Around the public sphere there is growing hostility towards voices of dissent.

We need a more participatory environment that listens to & empowers all views - Marianne

#Nethui

How do we co-design the future in a scalable way?

How do we co-design better processes that allow everyone to participate in government & public service? - Pia

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What do we do about the ubiquity of big corporate presence in the education system & the lack of other products?

It is incumbent on the schools that students get a variety of choice.

We need to focus on the skill, not the product.

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Technology is one of those things that is often outsourced. Even thinking about it has normally been our sources to their favorite geek.

We need a mechanism where people can contribute to projects where they have specific expertise.

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How do we reorganize the way we talk about our democracy as well as the way we structure it?

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Interest Groups can become insular. They need to keep reaching out and re-engaging with the community.

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Now Bronwyn is showing us a sneak preview of her upcoming art exhibition about the Southern Cross Cable

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Check out more details about the exhibition online!

@hollowaysmith

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Now headed to the #Nethui session on rural connectivity.

And I've positioned myself so the livestream camera is pointed straight at my bald spot...

#Winning

The panel discussing Rural Connectivity:

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Now discussing Rural Broadband Initiative: Phase 2

Has much more flexibility around how that is developed.

Vodafone, Spark, & 2Degrees sre all equals partnering with Crown Infrastructure to make this happen

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Rural folks just want access to the basic services that urban folks are accustomed to online: banking, communication, access to online schoolwork & resources, etc

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Prime goal to build the 4G networks that will enable reliable rural networks.

We need make this funding go as far as possible.

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The real difference in Phase 2 is the collaboration between our mobile network operators.

This means connectivity can be deployed much mlre efficiently as they can all share the same equipment.

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What will be some of the features of next generation networks that allows us to deploy into areas where it was previously not affordable?

Looking into the space of 5G

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We could have large land-based cells, but also smaller UAV (drone) based cells

Uh oh! More concerning use cases for @ryankurte's flying death machines...

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Looking at providing rural connectivity for as cheaply as 11 euros per month.

Wow, that's way less than I was anticipating.

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Now Andrew is going to be a bit provocative.

The problem with rural connectivity is that the cost effectiveness of putting in networks are proportional to the population density.

So rural is not cost effective.

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This infrastructure story & this connectivity story has the best solutions that its ever had.

More than 80% of NZ homes will get fibre to the door. Almost all the rest will get connected via world class wireless providers. The rest by the best satellites avaliable.

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Are there actually better rural connectivity solutions avaliable?

Or are the ones we're implementing already the best ones avaliable?

Should we stop whinging about problems we've solved?

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I'm sensing some strong feelings on the panel about current commentators.

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It was decided that internet access is a fundamental human right. So what role does government play in providing that right?

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When we're talking about how the connectivity is rolled out we're talking about homes. We spend a lot of time outside of our homes working and traveling & playing. We need connectivity in those places too. @rohmac

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5G is focused on mobility combined with high data rates.

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"If you're talking about more tribal areas we're not talking about 8% without connections, we're talking about 98%. And we're not being covered by RBI 2. They're underestimating the cost to people living in these places - up to $200/week"

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"Universal access is the key to a functioning democracy. We need to be providing universal access" @StuFlemingNZ

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We still have significant proportions of the community who cannot afford connectivity regardless of how its delivered.

If we don't solve those problems alongside connectivity we'll never have universal access.

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Access to connectivity is access to digital citizenship.

Barriers to access blocks communities from participating in our current society. @dylanp

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More Maori voices discussing how their communities are being overlooked by UFB and RBI rollouts

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Very generous for @NetHuiNZ to provide us with enough 🥑 on the sandwiches to purchase an Auckland house.

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Now @davemosk @andrewcushen discusses NZ's Digital Future

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Five areas of interest:

Digital economy
Digital divide
Digital rights
Independent public service media
Open Digital Government

Oh no, now we're breaking into small groups! 😱

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Digital rights? What are they? What are we looking at for the next 3 to 5 years

@StuFlemingNZ

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We need universal access - @StuFlemingNZ

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How do we reliability enshrine rights? And make them enforceable?

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Now exploring the results of the group discussions
@davemosk

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Watching @davemosk try and figure out how msny people are humming (and thus signalling their agreement) is pretty entertaining.

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New Zealand companies need to get better at telling their stories

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You can view/participate in the doc by going to: bit.ly/nethui-dm

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Now its Don & @amscraig starting a discussion on the social & cultural implications of the internet.

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Is the internet turning everyone American?

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"I met @theJDuce online and I guess we're now best friends" @amscraig on how she engages with people online.

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Now a commentator who hates having to look at the food pics that her family posts online.

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"I think family history is an addiction snd once you start you just can't stop"

Genealogy: the heroin of the internet

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Does the internet bring us closer or further apart?

There is an asymmetrical factor as some share much more than others.

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"I think Facebook is a bunch of crap. But I was forced as my daughter & my wife are on it."

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"The Internet isn't bringing any new problems, they're all just more intense!"

100% disagree. Its democratised access to information while removing editorialising intermediaries

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The internet has a long memory.

If you're old all the stupid things you did when you're young are all forgotten.

If you're young now, all the dumb things you do will live on forever

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"Bebo was awesome! Because you could be young & dumb on Bebo but then it went under and now it's all gone!"

"We need to be able to forget what was done before 16 to protect our kids"

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The internet supports visual communities that couldn't exist before because they're too geographically distributed

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A fellow who intentionally avoided social media. He's found that its harder & harder to connect if he's not on those platforms.

People are now only reaching out over social media.

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If your language isn't English its hard to keep your sense of identity as much of the internet doesn't support your language & alphabet

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Now @hollowaysmith is promoting phone calls.

"They're fantastic! Phone people up! It's cheap!"

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Social media can be isolating as well.

Many people use social media grudgingly or with some suspicion.

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"The social media platform of the youths (9 year olds) is Roblox!

Twitter and Facebook are for old people!

Why aren't we talking about Roblox?!"

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This thing we're doing is binarizing social media. Its good, or its bad.

But the debate is more complex & nuanced than that.

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We have to be wary of algorithms. They're made by humans so they inherited our biases.

Everything that is happening on the internet are things we're doing to ourselves.

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Watching @NetHuiNZ @InternetNZ team pictures

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Really missing the tables that used to be in the bsck of rooms at #Nethui. I've had to resort to a stool!

Now a panel on trust & deception. Lead by Colin Peacock.

With:
@CreetureNZ
Jamison Johnson
Vanessa Blackwood

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Most troubling for me is the influence side of deception. You can use it to subtly shape your views.
It is looking a lot like cold war era cyops
@CreetureNZ

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How many people scrutinize links they're sent or articles they see.

We don't need to be needlessly fretting or worrying about the wrong things. But we need to be vigilant.

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Why do we keep placing trust in systems that are fundamentally untrustworthy?

How do we identify systems that are trustworthy or untrustworthy? - Jamison

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Scammers will try and leverage the trustworthiness of existing companies. "I'm from Spark\Microsoft\the IRD\etc"

How do we encourage people to think twice?

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Disagree. Vigilance doesn't alway cut it.

It just takes one mistake for you to get fall victim.

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Do people need to take responsibility for this themselves? Or is are there partners who can help them?

Jamison thinks its something everyone needs to take personal responsibility for

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Now Vanessa is talking about how to check on the information organizations gather about you is accurate.

You have the right to ask them to correct false or incorrect information. If they won't correct it you have the right to attach a statement alongside that.

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You can't always trust providers to keep your passwords safe.

Even the big services that you'd think we can trust (Facebook, Twitter, etc).

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Designers of services need to have a think about the information they actually need.

Does it actually require a username/password?

Does it ACTUALLY need to know my gender (as the Skybus wifi login asks)?

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We need to shift to a more constructive discourse around security instead of just assigning blame.

Need to move from who is at fault to what do we need to do to fix it?

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"The infosec community is littered with the graves of many many standards. Its very hard to endorse standards in this area"

"We need to have best practices - 'this is the best way we know how to do this at the moment'"

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Setting up basic security for websites (like HTTPS) is dead easy. We should have 95% of websites in .nz on it. Right now we're at 48%.

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"Do you have opinions on password managers?"

"They're great!" @CreetureNZ

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Now Jamison is suggesting that you need to do lots of research into your password manager and look at your threat model.

For infosec or tech folks, perhaps. But that is WAY too much for the vast majority of users.

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Its wrap up time!

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And now @jordantcarter doing the wrap up!

Much thanks to everyone for an awesome and insightful #Nethui!

Now we're headed to @VulturesLane!

All #Nethui folks welcome!