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Impeachment hearings won't stop Trump's crimes.
Articles of Impeachment won't stop Trump's crimes.
A Senate trial won't stop Trump's crimes.
A "not guilty" verdict won't stop Trump's crimes.
Even removal won't convince President Pence to stop Trumpish crimes.
Articles of Impeachment won't stop Trump's crimes.
A Senate trial won't stop Trump's crimes.
A "not guilty" verdict won't stop Trump's crimes.
Even removal won't convince President Pence to stop Trumpish crimes.
Impeachment won't stop Trump's crimes.
But after we've impeached and the Senate declares Trump "Not Guilty!" and the media hammers home "totally exonerated from a partisan Democrat stunt!" we won't be able to use Trump's crimes as campaign issues.
But after we've impeached and the Senate declares Trump "Not Guilty!" and the media hammers home "totally exonerated from a partisan Democrat stunt!" we won't be able to use Trump's crimes as campaign issues.
A full exoneration in the Senate and Trump doing a victory dance all the way to a landslide reelection where we lose the House and usher in a century of fascist dictatorship does not "uphold our constitution."
What about getting GOP Senators "on record"?
What about getting GOP Senators "on record"?
They're on record for Kavanaugh.
They're on record for baby cages.
They're on record for a border wall.
They're on record for repealing health care.
They're on record for the #TaxScam.
We know they support Trump in every way.
Adding Trump's crimes won't matter.
They're on record for baby cages.
They're on record for a border wall.
They're on record for repealing health care.
They're on record for the #TaxScam.
We know they support Trump in every way.
Adding Trump's crimes won't matter.
Won't it demoralize Democratic voters if we don't impeach?
What should motivate voters is opposing fascism. If getting the nation back from fascists isn't enough to motivate them, nothing will. They'll find something else about imperfect candidates to whine about.
What should motivate voters is opposing fascism. If getting the nation back from fascists isn't enough to motivate them, nothing will. They'll find something else about imperfect candidates to whine about.
Did we give Democrats the House so they'd impeach?
No. Exit polls showed the # 1 issue on the minds of the voters who gave the House to Democrats was healthcare, not impeachment.
No. Exit polls showed the # 1 issue on the minds of the voters who gave the House to Democrats was healthcare, not impeachment.
Won't impeachment finally inform voters of Trump's crimes?
No. I did a thread on that.
No. I did a thread on that.
"But the 2020 vote will be rigged!"
And that has nothing to do with impeachment. Impeachment won't stop or avoid that, so this argument is red herring.
If you're rightly concerned with election security, turnout. and trollbot meddling, work on that.
And that has nothing to do with impeachment. Impeachment won't stop or avoid that, so this argument is red herring.
If you're rightly concerned with election security, turnout. and trollbot meddling, work on that.
"We should DO SOMETHING!"
We're doing a lot. Around a hundred ongoing Congressional investigations as of May. More now.
Impeachment is no different from any other Congressional investigation. It has no magical powers.
nbcnews.com/politics/donal…
We're doing a lot. Around a hundred ongoing Congressional investigations as of May. More now.
Impeachment is no different from any other Congressional investigation. It has no magical powers.
nbcnews.com/politics/donal…
"Impeachment will put an asterisk next to Trump's name in the history books!"
No one gives a fuck about punctuation, and the victors write the histories.
No one gives a fuck about punctuation, and the victors write the histories.
"If we don't impeach, future president will be emboldened to commit crimes!"
It's cute you think there will be "future presidents" if we don't defeat Trump next year.
Impeachment has already been proven toothless. That's a hard truth. It's never worked.
It's cute you think there will be "future presidents" if we don't defeat Trump next year.
Impeachment has already been proven toothless. That's a hard truth. It's never worked.
"Investigation is doing nothing!"
1) Impeachment is just another investigation.
2) The war's not over. We're just getting started.
3) It took close to two years of Congressional investigations to force Nixon's resignation.
Cool your jets.
1) Impeachment is just another investigation.
2) The war's not over. We're just getting started.
3) It took close to two years of Congressional investigations to force Nixon's resignation.
Cool your jets.
"It's the right thing to do!"
Making a useless gesture that results in the Senate declaring Trump not guilty, and taking his crimes off the table as 2020 campaign issues and possibly ensuring his reelection is NOT the "right thing to do."
Making a useless gesture that results in the Senate declaring Trump not guilty, and taking his crimes off the table as 2020 campaign issues and possibly ensuring his reelection is NOT the "right thing to do."
"Trump has to face consequences!"
1) Exoneration by the Senate is NOT "consequences".
2) After he's voted out, he can be charged with hundreds of felonies and die in Gitmo. That's "consequences".
1) Exoneration by the Senate is NOT "consequences".
2) After he's voted out, he can be charged with hundreds of felonies and die in Gitmo. That's "consequences".
"Trump has committed impeachable offenses!"
Of course he has. No one disputes that. But impeachment isn't the magic spell that will save the world. If it would work, I'd be all for it. But since it won't, it's a bad way to spend political capital.
Of course he has. No one disputes that. But impeachment isn't the magic spell that will save the world. If it would work, I'd be all for it. But since it won't, it's a bad way to spend political capital.
"So he does whatever he wants?"
Of course not but Impeachment won't stop anything.
House Democrats have shut down Trump's legislative agenda.
Dems (& others) are in court to stop Trump's executive orders.
I referred above to the massive investigations.
Of course not but Impeachment won't stop anything.
House Democrats have shut down Trump's legislative agenda.
Dems (& others) are in court to stop Trump's executive orders.
I referred above to the massive investigations.
"He's already doing a victory dance over Mueller."
That proves my point. Giving him a larger victory dance won't defeat him. Mueller's conclusions pointed to massive criminal behavior, and none of it stuck. It won't stick from a failed impeachment either.
That proves my point. Giving him a larger victory dance won't defeat him. Mueller's conclusions pointed to massive criminal behavior, and none of it stuck. It won't stick from a failed impeachment either.
A variation on "defend the Constitution" is "uphold the rule of law." The rule of law is not "upheld" by making a useless gesture that has no effect otehr than to possibly ensure a century of lawless, totalitarian, banana republic-style corruption.
"Democrats should be less concerned with winning the election, and more concerned with [whatever]"
Winning the next election is everything. Nothing you care about will matter if Trump is reelected or Dems lose the House or fail to take the Senate. A "symbolic victory" is a loss.
Winning the next election is everything. Nothing you care about will matter if Trump is reelected or Dems lose the House or fail to take the Senate. A "symbolic victory" is a loss.
"Democrats are cowardly!"
This isn't an argument in favor of impeachment. It's simply an insult. It's an admission that the person speaking has nothing rational to say and is trying to shut down the conversation or to distract into personal attacks. Just block and move on.
This isn't an argument in favor of impeachment. It's simply an insult. It's an admission that the person speaking has nothing rational to say and is trying to shut down the conversation or to distract into personal attacks. Just block and move on.
"Nancy Pelosi is complicit!"
This is a variation on "Democrats are cowardly!" It's one of the most absurd pieces of bullshit anyone can imagine. Block and move on.
This is a variation on "Democrats are cowardly!" It's one of the most absurd pieces of bullshit anyone can imagine. Block and move on.
"You're making a political calculation and not a moral one."
How is it "moral" to destroy America?
Defeating fascism is the only moral act we can take right now.
This is a situation in which the politically right thing to do IS the moral thing to do.
How is it "moral" to destroy America?
Defeating fascism is the only moral act we can take right now.
This is a situation in which the politically right thing to do IS the moral thing to do.
"[This Famous Person] supports impeachment!"
That's a logical fallacy called "appeal to authority." I don't care who says something, I want to know their reasons, their logic, and whatever data they bring.
logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/Lo…
That's a logical fallacy called "appeal to authority." I don't care who says something, I want to know their reasons, their logic, and whatever data they bring.
logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/Lo…
"We can impeach a second time if the first one doesn't work!"
We only get one bite at the orange. The media will kill us if we try more than once ("No do-overs!"), and that means immense losses in 2020 and the death of America.
We only get one bite at the orange. The media will kill us if we try more than once ("No do-overs!"), and that means immense losses in 2020 and the death of America.
This is an excellent point. I'm stealing it.
