Profile picture
Marty Lederman @marty_lederman
, 11 tweets, 4 min read Read on Twitter
1/ A smattering of thoughts on Justice Gorsuch's very engaging/intriguing separate opinion in #Carpenter. First, I'm not typically fond of his writing, but the first 11 pages or so are really worthwhile, ...

@OrinKerr @paulohm @WilliamBaude @NateWessler @isamuel @FirstMondaysFM
2/ ... in that they convey the confusion/disdain almost all students/newcomers sense when they first confront Smith/Miller and REP, and are very honest in reflecting how NG was striving to work though the problems w/o the constraints of dubious doctrines.
3/ I believe his tentative solution--Party X has 4A rights in data/papers conveyed to others if she "entrusted" those to the others and would have a legal right to enforce that "trust" (not requiring a property right, as I read it, but a contract right would do the trick, too)...
4/ ... would, if followed, be far broader than Roberts' more modest inroad into the 3d-party doctrine. And that's so even if the principle were narrowed to cover "only" cases in which the gov't "pries" the doc from the trusted person "without his consent" (p.4), i.e., ...
5/ ... to call it a "search" when the government *compels* the trusted party to disclose the data (e.g., Miller), but not when that person *voluntarily* breaches the trust by choosing to help the police (e.g., Smith, Hoffa). Even as so limited, NG's tentative test would be ...
6/ ... a much more comprehensive repudiation of the 3d-party doctrine than anything I've seen. Moreover, he'd also abandon the traditional subpoena doctrine even more than would Roberts! (p.18).
7/ BTW, is he right in assuming that "no one" thinks the gov't can simply subpoena the postmaster--or the recipients--for the letters in Jackson? I'd have assumed otherwise under traditional subpoena doctrine.
HOWEVER, NG (i) doesn't do the work to demonstrate his instinct ...
8/ ... that data about me--information--are "modern-day papers and effects"; and (ii) in the end he doesn't really have the courage of his (tentative) convictions, does he, because he says we "must be wary" of restricting the use of subpoenas for ordinary business records (why?).
9/ And then there's his disposition. He can't truly believe that Carpenter's lawyers "forfeited" his newfangled argument in a way that would preclude Justices from relying upon it. For one thing, @NateWessler *did* argue that Carpenter had a property right in the CPNI. And, ...
10/ ... more to the point, even a failure to argue wouldn't be a fatal forfeiture: After all, Gorsuch and Thomas write separately once a week or so to rely upon purportedly "originalist" and other arguments that the lower courts and parties did not even mention. Perhaps NG ...
11/ ... prefers to wait until he's had more time (and briefing/scholarship) to think through the ramifications of his argument, which is fine--but it's absurd to suggest that Carpenter's counsel tied his hands. end (for now, at least)
Missing some Tweet in this thread?
You can try to force a refresh.

Like this thread? Get email updates or save it to PDF!

Subscribe to Marty Lederman
Profile picture

Get real-time email alerts when new unrolls are available from this author!

This content may be removed anytime!

Twitter may remove this content at anytime, convert it as a PDF, save and print for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video

1) Follow Thread Reader App on Twitter so you can easily mention us!

2) Go to a Twitter thread (series of Tweets by the same owner) and mention us with a keyword "unroll" @threadreaderapp unroll

You can practice here first or read more on our help page!

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just three indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member and get exclusive features!

Premium member ($3.00/month or $30.00/year)

Too expensive? Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal Become our Patreon

Thank you for your support!