If you listen carefully it’s obvious what happened in the Sanders/Warren talk. Sanders keeps denying he said “a woman can’t be PRESIDENT”—and he didn’t.
What he obviously said was “a woman CAN’T BEAT TRUMP.” Warren for her part says “she disagreed.”
Both are telling the truth.
What he obviously said was “a woman CAN’T BEAT TRUMP.” Warren for her part says “she disagreed.”
Both are telling the truth.
Here it is in plain sight. Bernie is framing the question in the abstract—can a “woman be president”? Warren is framing it in the concrete—can a woman win IN 2020 AGAINST TRUMP? 
This fits right in line with what Sanders SAYS he said: That he raised questions about whether a woman could deal with Trump’s misogyny.
So all of you calling the other side “liars,” engage your critical faculties. Bernie stated clearly his position; Warren stated clearly that she disagreed with it. Neither has accused the other of lying—because neither IS lying. They’re just framing the question differently.
(Sorry, should note that Sanders accused Warren staffers of lying — not Warren herself — until Warren stepped in and gave her take on the convo. Note that Sanders has NOT contradicted Warren’s interpretation of the talk; only defended himself against the broader allegation.)
Let's be clear that Sanders' likely assertion that a woman "couldn't defeat Trump" was still fundamentally an erasure of Warren's campaign. The two may be friends with overlapping values/agenda, but at the end of the day, they're going for the same job.
At the same time, let's recall the ORIGINAL flap between the two campaigns. Sanders has retroactively admitted what he initially denied: His volunteers WERE using a script attacking Warren's electability. It's not the Warren campaign that went hard first.
politico.com/news/2020/01/1…
politico.com/news/2020/01/1…
Quite odd that you're saying that it's the responsibility of the woman candidate to be transparent, accommodating and apologetic for sharp elbows, while conveniently forgetting that Warren was the one blindsided by the Sanders' campaign targeting her.
Based on this new reporting by the NYT on what happened in that postdebate convo, it’s looking very much like my interpretation is correct. (Sanders apparently didn’t deny Warren’s basic point here—just said that he wanted to talk about it privately.)
nytimes.com/2020/01/15/us/…
nytimes.com/2020/01/15/us/…
Holy crap, wow. With clear audio.
Please note that “Let’s not do this now” is literally what my dad would say to my mom every time he screwed up in public (in Chinese though)
