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Ian Dunt
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Don't think that Labour amendment gets us anywhere or moves things forward, really.
It;s just a description of its vague, borderline meaningless Brexit policy, in amendment form.
A People's Vote proposal will struggle in the Commons even if Labour leadership whips in favour of it. A free vote means it doesn't have a chance.
We need something like Cooper bill to pass, a bit more time, consistent Labour leadership support, and then for enough Tory MPs to peel off as least-worst-outcome to counter the Labour MPs who will rebel over it.
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Ian Dunt
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This is frustrating watch. A politician calling for a policy she acknowledges will hurt the country. Then demanding parliament "get on with it", even though no-one knows what "it" is.
I don't particularly disagree with the criticisms of a second referendum. They just seem secondary to the criticisms of Corbyn's plan (non-existant, impossible), May's deal (incoherent, democratically unacceptable, dead) and no-deal (unspeakable national self-harm).
It's so easy to sit there and criticise, as Rayner is doing, when your own policy is what? An imaginary customs union relationship with voting rights, attached to an imaginary single market relationship you haven't bothered to specify, negotiated in an imaginary period of time.
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Ian Dunt
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This is key. Even with Govt supporting anti-backstop amendments, it still doesn't have a majority.
And if by some chance it did have a majority, all it would achieve is the detonation of its own withdrawal agreement.
Is this really all they have, even now? An impossible strategy towards a self-defeating goal?
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Ian Dunt
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Thing is, Theresa May isn't close to winning a Commons majority for her Brexit deal. Because getting it passed in this way means the deal ceases to exist. thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/82…
The same basic principle applies: without a backstop, there's no deal. With a backstop, there's no Commons majority.
And that dynamic, in technical speak, means you're proper twated.
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