-MasterCard Send (2015)/Visa Direct (2016)
-Zelle (2017)
-TCH's Real Time Payments (2017)
-FedNow (2023)
-Swift gpi (2017)
-Transferwise
-if we can't do mainstream payments, we'll do payments for the excluded
-digital gold i.e. bitcoin isn't for paying, it's for hoarding
-bitcoin isn't a monetary technology, it's a gambling technology