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@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW No if you have concerns about the number of people arriving from the A8 I believe they were referred to. Then UK had the option to control this through EU law for first 7 years of new members joining. Germany did. Austerity caused by illegal bank activity was not predicted so 1/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW As at the time the UK under labour was a thriving economy with an ageing population the influx of adult ( no education costs etc ) dynamic hard working people was seen as an extraordinary opportunity for the UK economy. Some highly educated some prepared to do any work at all 2/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW The conservative party's ideological commitment to austerity after £bns had been thrown at the banks essentially penalising the least powerful under the auspices of curing the ills caused by conservative voters was the first scam. UK wage growth 103 out of 123 in oecd (ish ) 3/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW This coupled with chronic regional underfunding since Thatcher decimated UK manufacturing in the industrial wasteland created a disenfranchised population bereft of meaningful perceived aspirations. Living in an increasingly barren environment who do they blame ? Who the media 4/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Tell them to essentially. The EU was always a convenient scapegoat for domestic political incompetence regular false stories or skewed facts to distract from Westminster mismanagement and influence by lobbyists. The majority of news about the EU for the last 10 years has been 5/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Designed to deflect and distract. Remember that UK ( well foreign tax avoiding owned ) print media has no market in EU so any impact on them re tax etc has no upside. And remember "it was us what won it". So there's a pact between the party in power and the press. I digress 6/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW An aside it wasn't until 2005 when Michael Howard introduced the concept of capping numbers that immigration was viewed purely from that idiotic metric. It's not the numbers stupid to paraphrase. If we can benefit from immigration the numbers are essentially irrelevant. And we 7/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Have in the main. However there was now a stick that people could use to beat the gov with. Exceeding stupidly self imposed targets. So even if the numbers from RofW were greater usually than from EU it's the EU's fault. Even if gov didn't use available powers after 3 months 8/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Guess what ? The rise of the libertarians and the slanted research funded by USA backed *think tanks* aka pressure groups intent on a low tax small gov unregulated free for all economy had one scapegoat EU then combined it with another immigration. Suddenly illegal apparently 9/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Which phrase was used repeatedly and without foundation for long enough to cement the two in many people's minds. The wars the West started in the Middle East were a godsend now we had 'hordes descending' potential terrorism which could be and was conflated with reciprocal 10/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Emigration rights. So the taxes paid by our EU people £12.3bn the essential jobs done ( 5% of doctors 10% of nurses ) for example was never covered but EU health tourism a total lie because not true but also reclaimable from recipients country of origin benefit tourism again 11/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Untrue & EU regulations are in place to combat it were splashed across disreputable gutter press and the interdependent nature of gov and media meant it was permitted. I don't know the statistics but I firmly believe that people who know and work with EU colleagues don't have 12/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW An issue with the people they know, & sometimes love, those who voted leave would say oh it's not you it's the others.Why were some of the highest leave vote % in areas with low EU problem if the problem is EU migrants 🤔 because it wasn't based on what they knew. It was based/13

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW On what they. *knew*. From the media from the appeals to nationalism and populism by ukip and the media
Yes people were told we had lost our sovereignty, hint you can't vote out a despot
Yes people were told we'd lost control of our laws, EU regulations are primarily trade & 14/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Related along with common minimum standards of people's rights & health welfare safety environment etc & we've 'lost' about 80 out of nearly 1300 (?)
Darn sovereignty parliament report stated never lost sometimes appeared that way.
Money we print our own & make own decisions 15/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Costs yes it costs to belong to a club that gives the EHIC that ensures frictionless trade that provides a market of over 500 million customers that protects our freedoms our products from cheap imitation our industry from dumping or punitive tariffs our people from abuse 16/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Or exploitation that allows our arts to be the European hub and our artists to perform anywhere in Europe easily, our businesses to grow and develop anywhere but also at home. It costs less than the price of a packet of crisps a day for most of us. Its a sliver of our annual 17/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Budget but for political purposes has been presented as an enormous burden. & no we don't control where the EU spends money in the UK which means it's spent where the gov has failed to address needs. Regions of high poverty & low opportunity that's the way a social democracy 18/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Works. A little bit from a lot of people can benefit those who need it most. Lots of other points but I've probably bored you enough so sorry this wasn't planned it was a response to someone who made an apparently valid point but I felt was incorrect & it's late. I think that 19/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Ultimately my stance is you have a right to your opinion but if it has been formed by ppl lying to you then I want to say please look & question. If you still feel the same I will still disagree unless you can show how I'm wrong but your choice.Pre ref I was a notional remain 20/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW I knew that immigration benefited the host economically (USA) I understood why & I try to be an accepting person and recognised that EU unified Europe finally. Post ref I found out about CA etc and RW connections and facts about EU & about what leave and media claimed versus 22/

@robcorb @mikegalsworthy @pchoskins @Peston @SteveBakerHW Reality so my feelings and commitment run much deeper.Are there issues yes Is it perfect hell no Does nirvana exist though ? It's not about the 😈 you know either it's about what the alternative is most likely to be based upon those who funded & fronted leave campaign ! Take care

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