Thread by @NiceMangos

Because of course.

Imagine being an American and spouting this shit in the era of Trump. Trump, *the president* that had a hard time denouncing the KKK, who shares Breitbart articles and retweets white genociders.

Like being a murderous jihadist is apparently not fringe?

This interview is such a predtictable pile of Harris-isms. Who are the idiots that still fall for this shit?

"Everybody else is doing identity politics except me. 🙃 I don't even have an identity." 🤷‍♀️

"Who me? I am RARELY CARELESS WITH WORDS THOUGH" -Sam Harris.

OMFG 😂 How is he this full of himself, and this blind to how ridiculous he sounds.

Oh I apologise publicly when I'm wrong, I don't ever misrepresent. I'm not even playing the same game as the others who are dishonest.

Except Sam, the problem is...you are. You misrepresent muslims, the left all the time. u re/tweet right-wing bullshit if it confirms your bias

*I* don't use cheap rhetorical tricks, *I* just want to get down to the truth, unlike those other people. *I* would easily admit when I'm wrong.

Yeah Sam not like u were shown how awful Rubin, Gad and Murray's views were in detail in a convo once, and u still doubled down.

It's not like he's ever publicly apologized for incorrectly downplaying dangerous far right actors even after he's shown they are bad, like Milo, Lauren, Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Waters.

It's not like he apologized for using fearmongering stats about muslim birthrates.

He just shifts the blame on the crazy conspiracy book he used as a source, not apologizing of course for using a ridiculous Eurabia conspiracy book as a legit source, or he pleads ignorance in the moment.. about the people he later continues to signal boost and promote/downplay.

He claims people misunderstand him because they haven't followed his work. Except there's a growing batch of *EX* Sam Harris fans, who have lost respect specifically because they've followed his work and his embarrassing alliances, his boosting of ex Muslims that >

<Confirm his biases, that spread extreme anti muslim hate, that justify hate crimes against muslims, that compare Islam to Nazism, that share his absolute loathing of the left and downplaying of white supremacy.

So it's bs that he's only criticised because he's misunderstood.

"Islam isn't even a race" - I expected a bit better from him than this idiotic 2014 talking point, in a time where muslims are very obviously being racialized and attacked by white supremacists.

Lol @ I'm not a of the right

Lmao @ Muslims aren't even a minority globally

Really indistinguishable from Ben Shapiro.

Everyone else is doing greivance Olympics except for me who has greivances against the left 🤷‍♀️ and who champions ex Muslims because they are a marginalized group that I prioritize. But other groups ..nah just greivance Olympics

Get over racism, you ID pol cucks. Just get over it, and have an EXTREMELY rational conversation with me about how ex Muslims (totally not an identity) are right about everything when they criticize Islam.

I am very Rational.

Ok, continuing to read this painfully stupid interview so you don't have to. Will report back. 😷

Incredibly predictable "western feminists are bad because Sharia in Afghanistan" talking points.

As a feminist with a foot in both worlds I've learned to distrust anyone who pits women against each other like this. It's just an attempt to silence feminists here.

Not to mention there are plenty of western feminists who speak pretty clearly about how bad things are for women in more oppressive situations. What happens tho is that there r anti feminists & xenophobes who jump on women's rights under Sharia as a way to demonize muslims.

And that makes it harder for people to speak about a topic they see as being compromised by the right/far right. But this is not an issue Sam is concerned with. Women in Saudi/Afghanistan r not happy being used as pawns to silence women elsewhere.

"I make all the noises about white supremacy so I can't be hijacked by them"

Lol Sam, yeah noises like "it's not such a big problem"

Then he goes to downplay it by saying it's ID pol, the worst kind of course..but he still makes it comparable to ppl fighting for their rights

So he's flattening it all out by making it all just "ID pol" ppl fighting for their rights vs. ppl fighting for supremacy. He gives himself a little out by saying it's the worst kind.

Then he's right back to walking on eggshells about white people having a hard time. Jfc.

Then he goes on about how white supremacy is an ideology (he grants that to give himself an out) but it's mostly just mentally unwell ppl. It's not systematized. Reduces Great Replacement stuff (which he's peddled himself) to crackpottery , not a meaningful part of doctrine.

Then he speaks about jihad in a completely different way "culture of acceptance" ... mentions his concentric circles ..which he just can't apply to white supremacy even after it's come out Twitter won't crack down on WS bec it'd take out Republican politicians too

to Sam, the promise of paradise is a problem cuz it's motivating regular ppl (muslims) but the promise of an ethnostate isn't motivating or radicalizing regular ppl. It's fringe. The beliefs rnt captivatng apparntly..but smhw ☪️doctrine turns regular ppl into literalist robots

Jihadism is a global problem where memes are spreading.

Ok sure.

But how does he not think this is the case after the subscribe to PewDiePie livestreamed murder of 50 muslims?

Now we're back to "it's a fringe phenomenon". I s'pose the white genocider RTing prez is fringe

I'm honestly in awe of his blatant double standards and glaring agenda. And lack of self reflection.

Liberals are 'over interpreting' when they see other factors contributing to terrorism (but Sam also acknowledges other factors briefly, there's that out of he needs to walk it back) ...why is it so hard to say it's a deadly combination of things. Over emphasizing ideology is >

<Also ignorant. Muslims are obviously not literalist robots that blindly follow whatever they think is being commanded. A Quran passage really isn't that powerful all on it's own. Obviously it's a combination of things. U can see that in the vastly diff ways ppl follow religion.

Lol why do they all defend themselves by pulling this transparent obviously not true "omg I actually say this shit because I care about muslims more than anyone"

What a gaslighty tactic.

Sure u care about muslims when ur fearmongering about their ominous birthrates. 🙄

"I'm the most anti Trump person u ever saw"

LOL

This is what I find interesting abt Sam's criticism of Trump. It almost always centers on his dishonesty, buffoonery and unpredictability. Rarely ever talks about his ridiculous levels of open bigotry and racism.

Sam also fund$ Rubin who vry much spreads the same dishonesty.

I honestly don't know what context this take could look good in.

The goal, repeatedly, seems to be to downplay white supremacy and it's related terror attacks. And exaggerate how many muslims are fine with jihadism "culture of acceptance"

I'm still reeling from :

"Even in the immediate aftermath of a synagogue shooting [anti semitism] it's not that big a problem."

Why would Mr. "I'm not careless with words" even say this. Whyyyy.

So he walks it back a bit to give himself that out, while still maintaining it's a comparatively small prob. This is an ongoing thing he does. A lot of back& forth so u cn't actually pin him down to smth hes said, cuz then he'll point to when he half assedly walked it back a bit.

Lmao

threatening to publish pvt email exchange again like w Ezra. I can only imagine how him & fans wld react if sm1 published Sam's pvt emails.

Wants empathy turned up for him, always. Dsn't do it for others.

How dare u throw shade 😂

If u don't like me u must not know my ideas

Omg I'm howling 😂😂😂

Sam : I'm not Milo
Intvwr: yeah but u say controversial shit, so when u get shit...suck it up Sally
Sam: I'm never offended

I am obvs not hearing the tone of this since I'm reading...I'm hoping that's a joke...can he seriously claim he's NEVER offended

"I DON'T WRITE STUPID THINGS" - Sam Harris

Omg 😂 I really can't even.

Dying 😂😂😂

Now they are discussing the absolutely ridiculous IDW picture of Sam in the bushes. 😂 Which of course u can't mock him for because they told him to go stand in a bush and took his photo. What was he gonna do....say no?!!

Also don't miss the bit where our noble hero isn't silenced yet only because he's a RationalGeniusBrain that has created an unfireable job for himself. Nevermind that he has money and connections and gets massive media boosts.

Poor Megyn Kelly tho. Can't even say blackface isn't racist on TV with facing some consequences. "One stupid thing"...no biggie.

Canceling ppl for being pro blackface. Smdh. PC gone too far. 🙄

Without* facing. Dammit.

Ok dove back in after a few hour break. Jfc. You could do a right-wing bingo with this interview.
"The left eats it's own"
I like how she points out that the right doesn't do it much because of "no shame"

🤔 a woman got banned for tweeting men are not women? I suspect there's more to that story.

His solutions to the troll/Nazi problem on social media are terrible. Forcing people to have their real identities on social media would increase harassment by a lot. And the people he cares so much about in Islamic theocracies wldnt b able to speak at all.

Making platforms like Twitter paid platforms would also exclude a lot of people and there are plenty of far righters who have money to spend on these things so it wouldn't help the troll/bigot problem

Oh dear...now we're into his horrid #metoo takes.

Obvs ppl can tell diff b/w Weinstein & others but people want to talk about the a spectrum. This fearmongering about it going "too far" and getting Trump again is just meant to undermine the whole thing.

"Moral panic" ffs

"I am on the left because I support gay marriage" gtfo with that Rubinism.

"My issue is more with the left because the right doesn't misrepresent me like they do." Yah Sam it feels that way because the right agree with u on Islam/feminism/metoo/immigration and the left doesn't.

Hahahahahahahaha 🔥

Wow then he goes on & on to defend the "some of my best friends are _____" argument. This is hard to even parody.

I love other foods so I can't b racist
Dudes wife is black so he can't be racist
There r real racists out there, not ppl w black friends

😂 Omg. What.

This is of course all to set up for his ultimate point. That his criticism of Islam isn't motivated by bigotry because some of his best friends are of muslim background with brown skin. Nevermind that they also spew a lot of bigoted stuff or confirm his biases.