But it may be that we see a fullscale Kurdish surrender to the Assad regime tonight. Abandoned by the US, it looks like SDF will try to spare their cities from Turkish onslaught by allowing Syrian forces to take them over.
The deal was apparently brokered in a meeting with Russian commanders earlier.
The Kurdish experiment in autonomy in NE Syria was not perfect. But for many it was a hopeful spot of freedom in a region full of horror and tyranny.
If it's true, it means the Turkish offensive has succeeded faster and more completely than Erdoğan could have dreamed.
The Kurdish statelet is dead and Assad - who Erdoğan doesn't like but can do business with - is back in charge.
But the Kurds did not challenge Assad's authority as directly as the Sunni rebels. So the vengeance may be less severe than it was in Aleppo etc.
But that isn't fair. And consider this: unlike ISIS, unlike many rebels, the Kurds seem to have folded early to spare their people the horrors of an unwinnable siege.
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