1) Thread - why do #FBPE peeps attack Corbyn so much?
Many Labour supporters ask, perhaps with some justification, "why do FBPEers go after Labour? This is a Tory problem!"
Here's my personal reasons. I'm guessing however they probably resonate with others
Many Labour supporters ask, perhaps with some justification, "why do FBPEers go after Labour? This is a Tory problem!"
Here's my personal reasons. I'm guessing however they probably resonate with others
2) firstly, practical, and this is unfair but just how it is.
There is little traction to be gained by attacking the Tory #Brexit position because a majority of Tory voters will simply not care, they support Brexit blindly and won't change their minds easily
There is little traction to be gained by attacking the Tory #Brexit position because a majority of Tory voters will simply not care, they support Brexit blindly and won't change their minds easily
4) second reason is anger at Corbyn's piss poor #Brexit referendum performance. I know he's a brexiter, and I know he was faking it during the ref campaign.
It may be unfair to blame him as the reasons Remain lost were complex, but remain lost by a few percent.
It may be unfair to blame him as the reasons Remain lost were complex, but remain lost by a few percent.
5) all the excuses of "he campaigned more than anyone, he had 100s of appearances" etc simply don't wash. He was described as Leave's greatest asset during the campaign & large numbers of Labour voters simply didn't know Labour's brexit position
This was no time for "7 out of 10"
This was no time for "7 out of 10"
6) if Corbyn had been honest, stepped aside & campaigned for Leave (which aligned 100% with his historical beliefs) leaving the way clear for a strong pro remain Labour figurehead, Remain would likely have gained that crucial 2% and this #Brexit mess would all be behind us
7) I passionately believe this. I strongly believe that Corbyn was exactly the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time re the Remain campaign & this is why claims around his integrity & honesty are so personally galling.
You can't start something good with a lie
You can't start something good with a lie
8) the final reason however I suspect resonates with a lot of FBPEers. We simply expected better than Labour. The following is personal but I suspect not unique.
9) Liberalism is my position now but I come from a leftist tradition. Whilst I respect the Conservative world view as being valid I've never agreed with it.
The only functional, worthwhile, "one nation" government I've lived through was the Labour one from 97 onwards
The only functional, worthwhile, "one nation" government I've lived through was the Labour one from 97 onwards
10) the current Tory party repulses me however I've always thought that the Tory world view was too simplistic & short termist.
The fact that modern Toryism spawned #Brexit doesn't particularly surprise me
But being "centre left", I just expected better from Labour
The fact that modern Toryism spawned #Brexit doesn't particularly surprise me
But being "centre left", I just expected better from Labour
11) I may not have agreed with all Labour policies but I always assumed Labour was basically honest & basically on the side of "the people"
I never thought Labour would tacitly support something so destructive as #Brexit, and I've found it personally shocking
I never thought Labour would tacitly support something so destructive as #Brexit, and I've found it personally shocking
12) I knew the hard left could be destructive & inward looking, I saw it first hand with Militant in Liverpool in my youth, but I thought the modern Labour party was immune to slash & burn ideology
12) so that's it.On a practical level Labour is the more productive #Brexit target,that's just how it is. I'm also angry at Corbyn personally, and that likely won't change,but fundamentally, I expected this from Toryism, I just thought better of Labour. It's deeply disappointing
