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@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 I think that’s fair – to an extent. I certainly think it’s fair to welcome a United States of Europe – as I say, no viewpoint on your vision of our destiny should be castigated. I think it’s a far more sensible position than wanting EU membership but not a United States…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …of Europe. It is not sensible to delineate the journey from the destination. I would say that Monnet gave up on France when as a nation state it had failed him – indeed nation states were failing across Europe…France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …Luxembourg, the Netherlands – all either dictatorships or occupied by dictatorships. It was clear, to Monnet, that the nation state had reached its limitations – that people had to find a new way to live in peace, with their freedom intact. One can surely…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …empathise with that point of view from the vantage point of a senior French civil servant who saw two World Wars ravage much of Europe…this couldn’t happen again. That’s not where I am, and I’m not sure it ought to be where the UK is. Our nation…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …state, for whatever reason, did not fail us – it still hasn’t failed us. We have had progressively more rights and better living standards throughout our history. Sure, it didn’t stop when we joined the European Union, but it didn’t start either. There has certainly…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …been periods in our history where rights have been curtailed, yet the British have always found a way…from Magna Carta to Emmeline Pankhurst to Dagenham Ford. Do we need to give up on a nation that has never failed us? There’s no evidence…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …that suddenly the powers that be have become more powerful than those they govern. Again, though, it all depends on how you see the piece of land you live on. Does it really matter that we pass it on as a member of a Federal European Union rather…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …than an independent nation? Do we first ensure our own financial security, taking no risks with the rights we have, even if that means losing our nation state forever? Or are we the curators of something far greater, that past generations have…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …than an independent nation? Do we first ensure our own financial security, taking no risks with the rights we have, even if that means losing our nation state forever? Or are we the curators of something far greater, that past generations have…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …untainted. However, If there is to be a people’s vote, let’s not reduce it to how we deal with rules of origin, or transport radioisotopes, as some people like to pretend it’s about. Any people’s vote should ask the question, are we still the people of Magna Carta, or have…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …we become so powerless to think and act for ourselves, and so subservient to the “elite”, that we are willing to sacrifice the millennium of independence that we inherited and outsource our human rights protections elsewhere? If we will no longer act worthy of…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …ourselves, perhaps it really is time to close the curtains on the proud people we once were, and enthusiastically embrace a Federal European future. We can at least help create our joint destiny, rather than be driven there by others. The first step…
@demmediablues @BaggieBaker69 …is to escape from the denial of what membership of the European Union means. A slightly tipsy goodnight to you!
