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OK - US v. Schulte, CIA leaks case Day 12, as US Attorney's Office nears end of its evidence, audio exhibits at issue: Inner City Press filed letter with Judge Crotty, published 4th tranche patreon.com/posts/34314925 & will live-tweet: thread
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Witness is being asked why protective order for Schulte not issued. Says words like "blowback" and "retaliation" didn't merit protection.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData In US v Schulte, now the government is calling as its witness prisoner Carlos Betances Luna Mera." He's 41, born in Dominican Republic.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Luna: He moved from D.R. to Puerto Rico in 1996, stayed there a few months. Then to Newark, New Jersey, then New York.
AUSA: Do you speak English?
Luna: I understand it and speak a little. But I'm using an interpreter.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: What did you do for work?
Luna: First in a restaurant, then as a lookout.
AUSA: What is that?
Luna: I would alert people by radio when police were coming.
AUSA: Were you ever deported?
Luna: Yes. I came back in through Texas.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: Were you arrested?
Luna: Yes, for drugs. Conspiracy. Illegal re-entry.
AUSA: You pled guilty to bringing a device into a federal facilities - what device, and which facility?
Luna: A cell phone, in the MCC.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: Do you recognize anyone in the court?
Luna: Yes, there (Joshua Schulte).
AUSA: Where did you meet him?
Luna / Betances: On Tier 11. We spoke a lot. We were friends. Also with Omar and "Cheese."
AUSA: How often would you see them?
Luna: Every day.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: Could you make calls in MCC?
Luna: Yes, on recorded phones provided by the MCC.
AUSA: How about email?
Luna: Yes, on computers provided by the MCC. They are monitored. When you register, they inform you.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: Are you allowed to use cell phones in the MCC?
Luna: No. But I had one. When a visitor brought one in and locked it in the locker, you had to talk to a guy named Junior - he'd bring them to us, as if he were working plumbing.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Now AUSA tells witness to look at Gov Exhibits 820 - but despite Inner City Press' letter yesterday to Judge Crotty, will these exhibits be made available, and all audios, pursuant to Judge Crotty's own order?
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: What kind of cell phone was Josh using?
Luna/Betances: iPhone.
AUSA: Was the defendant happy with the iPhones he got?
Luna: No. He wanted a phone that was not an iPhone. He couldn't install the programs he wanted on an iPhone.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Luna: Then he got a Samsung, by a trade with Jimmy. Josh liked the Samsung.
AUSA: Did you ever hear the defendant express anger at the CIA?
Luna: A few times.
AUSA: What would he say?
Luna: That they had betrayed him.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Now US is playing an audio about "Josh saying the Russia had to help him with what he was doing."
Objection overruled by Judge Crotty, and still no response to complaint that audio files are not being made available despite pre-trial order
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData After what Judge Crotty called an "overheated wire," exhibits are back to being flashed on the screen: handwritten notes about "info war."
AUSA Sidharda Kamaraju: Did you ever hear the defendant refer to "info-war"?
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Luna: Yes, twice. One time I heard him say "WikiLeaks" as I walked by to Chino's cell.
AUSA: And he said, info war?
Luna: Yes. He said "guerra de informacion."
AUSA: Did he seem angry?
Luna: Yes.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: What made you decide to cooperate with the government?
Luna / Betances: Because I heard him talk about Russia... and he spent all weekends in his cell with the phone.
AUSA: Did you ask him what he was doing?
Luna: No.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Luna: In September, we were paying $200 to take the phone down to the library. It was not normal. I wrote down on a piece of paper, something is going to happen in the library, you have to check what it is. They checked - Josh said there was searching going on.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData AUSA: What did you think he was doing?
Luna: He was going to send something from the library.
AUSA: When did you last see the defendant?
Luna: In my cell when the found the phone and they took me off the Tier, 7 South
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Now cross examination by Schulte's lawyer Shroff:
Shroff: Did you come to this country illegally?
Luna: Illegally.
Shroff: Did you find work?
Luna: Yes.
Shroff: You decided to sell drugs.
Luna: Yes.
Shroff: Where did you first sell drugs in the US?
Luna: In NY.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Shroff: How many times did you sell drugs in NY? 10? 20?
Luna: 6 or 7 times.
Shroff: You are not doing hand to hand sale on the street, right? You are moving kilos?
Luna: Not at first.
Shroff: Tell us about it.
Luna: At first I just used a radio to alert people.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Shroff: Did you consider that drug dealing?
Luna: Yes.
Shroff: When was that?
Luna: 1996, 1997.
Shroff: And you sold drugs until 2018, right?
Luna: No. After 2001 I was deported, for seven years.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Shroff: We'll get back to your illegal re-entry. They told you don't come back?
Luna: Right.
Shroff: Because you sold drugs, right?
Luna: No, because I had a felony.
Shroff: OK. In October 2000, you sold more than 500 grams of cocaine, right?
Luna: Si.
@MatthewLeeICP @sdnylive @_cryptome_ @EspionageNews @CyberScoopNews @KharonData Schulte's lawyer Sabrina Shroff is going through each of the drug charges against, and mandatory minimum sentences obtaining to, the cooperating witness' extensive drug dealing history. This could take a while.
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