This is fine, right? This is profit, not Riba.
This is genuine trade, right?
“After you (the bank) purchase the car from the dealer, I agree to buy the car from you for a price of 12k, payable in instalments”
So, where does this price of 12k come from – this is simply the full repayment of the financing required
Even though this is a deposit, we see the customer giving the money to Trader 1, who then has to find a way to give it to the bank, which occurs, via Trader 2, but this is not shown, of course :)
do you know any retail bank customers who know where to sell commodity, and how?
Nor do I, so the bank kindly offers to play the role of agent here.
Now, this structure is exactly the same as used for CM financing for loans in the 100x millions and also billions.
This is organised Tawarruq. It is called organised because every single transaction shown MUST occur for the whole thing to make sense, otherwise it fails.
For it to be Shariah compliant, all these transactions must occur independently and not be agreed in advance.
I find this claim really funny : ))
Again, if you understand WHY the bank MUST ensure the customer sells the commodity to the party chosen
These are a few rules that are broken by the market practice of Commodity Murabaha.
Now, some people say “This is why banks are moving away from CM”.
My response is this – they are hardly moving away from it at all,
I think it is probably higher.
Also a popular defence “Islamic banks have left CM behind, where they can and use Wakala or Mudarabah sometimes.”
1)They retain ALL the questionable elements of CM, whatever contracts they choose to replace them with
2)They ONLY do this if the transaction is between two Islamic banks –
3)In every case, the economic outcome of these new contracts is the same as that of CM ie they are lending at interest
Where else is CM used?
As well as bank lending, it is used in
-Money markets
-Large corporate loans
-Savings, and deposits
-Profit rate swaps
-Capital protected investments
-Sukuk (in Malaysia)
-Home purchase, car purchase, asset financing
It is USED a lot - the whole Islamic banking industry is DOMINATED by CM.
1)CM dominates Islamic banking
2)It is simply replicating a loan at interest
3)It breaks multiple AAOIFI Shariah standards
4)It is AWLAYS organised, rather than genuine Tawarruq
5)This has been labelled deceptive and impermissible by the Islamic Fiqh Academy
Even though this is a deposit, we see the customer giving the money to Trader 1, who then has to find a way to give it to the bank, which occurs, via Trader 2.
This is not shown, of course - why not?
Nor do I, so the bank kindly offers to play the role of agent here.
Now, this structure is exactly the same as used for CM financing for loans in the 100x millions and also billions. I have personally executed a transaction
This is organised Tawarruq. It is called organised because every single transaction shown MUST occur for the whole thing to make sense, otherwise it fails. Thus all the transactions are organised and agreed BEFORE the first
For it to be Shariah compliant, all these transactions must occur independently and not be agreed in advance.
I find this claim really funny : ))
Nor do I.
I find this claim really funny : ))
This is a plain lie.
Now let us focus on once aspect where, once again, Islamic banks break AAOIFI rules here.
These are a few rules that are broken by the market practice of Commodity Murabaha.
Now, some people say “This is why banks are moving away from CM”.
I think it is probably higher.
My response is, yes this is true. However 3 key points to note
2)They ONLY do this if the transaction is between two Islamic banks – they NEVER use this new structure when they give loans to customers (try to understand why?)
Also they STILL end up breaking Shariah rules in this application of Mudarabah and Wakala!!
As well as bank lending, it is used in
-Money markets
-Large corporate loans
-Savings, and deposits
-FX derivatives
-Capital protected investments
-Sukuk (in Malaysia)
-Home purchase, car purchase, asset financing
It is USED a lot - the whole Islamic banking industry is DOMINATED by CM.