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Martin Anantharaman Profile picture
@MPAnantharaman
May 20, 2022 • 72 tweets • 74 min read • Read on X
Anyone seen this on major news-channels - not at all in line with #masshysteria engineered by the global #deepstate? BIG kudos to @luigidimaio and Mario #Draghi @Palazzo_Chigi for coming up with this plan to end #UkraineRussiaWar - throwing down a gauntlet to the #deepstate. ...
... and they will have to craft an "alliance of the sane", so started with @antonioguterres and canvassing #G7 - knowing that a lot of "allied sanity" is needed against the war-mongers in #Ukraine, here @Podolyak_M speaking for the #deepstate ... english.nv.ua/nation/ukraine…
... and, finally, to give deserved credit: My attention was drawn to this initiative by this interesting interview on status of negotiations in @truthout, quite interesting otherwise, too - though nothing really new. truthout.org/video/talks-to…
Meanwhile, here's a useful snapshot of #Ukraine's concept of #diplomacy in #UkraineRussiaWar, even if not reporting anything completely new: Fight it out till #Russia is driven out and then kinda "clean up" with #diplomacy. english.nv.ua/nation/ukraine…
... and here @Podolyak_M emphasizes the position - now only talking of #ceasefire, no mention of #diplomacy (was a euphemism anyway) - AND betraying some nervousness about rumblings of #diplomacy in the western alliance
Want to get really scared? Then read @MittRomney on @nytopinion formulating what we may consider #USA-consensus in #UkraineRussiaWar: #Ukraine must WIN - and we have options in case of a #nuclearstrike💀 ... #RusslandUkraineKrieg #NuklearKeeig
Unblocked link for non-subscribers: nytimes.com/2022/05/21/opi…
#Peace is a delicate and fragile thing, with so many hidden interests working against it, also in #UkraineRussiaWar. The nexus of #USA's #deepstate and #armsindustry is well-known - but now look at what @MorawieckiM reveals. Overcome Pereiaslav-agreement?
@Podolyak_M at his peace-loving best on the outlook for #negotiation in #UkraineRussiaWar (sorry, German only. from @dpa-feed). Maybe he's been smoking or sniffing something again - or maybe he just co-ordinated with "allies"? #RusslandUkraineKrieg zeit.de/news/2022-06/0…
Update on #Ukraine's wise and peace-loving negotiators in #UkraineRussiaWar - essentially making #negotiation depend on military victory (of confusing/contradictory scopes) - leading either to a long attritional war or hypersonic nuclear WWIII. ...
... so we ALL lose (#Ukraine-population most of all, of course, since their government doesn't give a damn about them) - and the irony remains: Aggressor #Putin is our best bet to resolve this in a sane way.
Linking to a tweet on the latest interview with Noam #Chomsky @truthout on #UkraineRussiaWar relevant to stalled #negotiation.
@ZelenskyyUa's latest statement on ONE level fits to the peace-loving #negotiation-strategy his government has been following in #UkraineRussiaWar - but is also a study in how a #peace-loving idealist was forced to switch to the dark side. ft.com/content/37d511…
Hm, that really puts #peace-loving Ukraine and it's Western groupies/handlers (e.g. @CharlesMichel, spouting garbage in #UNSC) in a spot, doesn't it? Everyone agreeing to the #UN-mediated plan for grain-exports in #UkraineRussiaWar - except for #Ukraine.
@ZelenskUA frames the prospect for #peace via #negotiation in #UkraineRussiaWar - by (if guardedly) showing readiness to "fight to the last soldier" (citizens anyway) - leaving room only if #Putin "rolls over" in recognition of the #Ukraine master-race.
Linking to a continually update thread by @I_Katchanovski on #negotiation in #UkraineRussiaWar.
OK, this WAS in response to that criticism by @POTUS - but nonetheless frames #Ukraine approach to #negotiation in #UkraineRussiaWar: They were not only prepared for it, but did all they could to make it happen - sabotaging all #negotiation BEFORE it.
... and so poor @ZelenskyyUa cannot but play along with the #deepstate to emphasize recapturing all territories, including #Crimea, as goal in #UkraineRussiaWar. Wouldn't survive saying anything else ... president.gov.ua/en/news/govori…
... which includes keeping ANY tendency to #negotiation among #UkraineRussiaWar allies in check, e.g. in #Germany
... or #France, where you again need to read carefully what @EmmanuelMacron said in this obfuscatory report: "... but insisted that Ukraine, which he hoped would win the war, would eventually have to negotiate with Russia". Weigh "hoped" against "have to".
... so for good measure, @arestovych also clarified ahead of the visit to #Kyiv that any treaty like #MinskII was out of question to end #UkraineRussiaWar. Sure, why sabotage it before the war otherwise?
And so the actual #Ukraine demand (not wish or request!) in #Kyiv was really to be armed to the teeth to WIN #UkraineRussiaWar - no questions asked, guys. And why should they do it? ...
We really knew it before, e.g. from loudmouth Yevhen Karas, but now from @ZelenskyyUa's, too - guarded but clear in expressing #Ukraine's claim to "armed-to-the-teeth" leadership of degenerated #EU and soft #NATO as "reward" for #UkraineRussiaWar: ...
president.gov.ua/en/news/govori…
... "... our rapprochement with the European Union is not only positive for us. This is the greatest contribution to the future of Europe in many years."
Got it? Think about whom he means - sure, #Russia, but whom else and where - depending on what handlers in #USA and #UK want?
Quite a challenge to execute this - with shaky allies in #RussiaUkraineWar AGAIN emphasizing talks with #Putin RIGHT after coming home from #Kyiv, e.g. @Bundeskanzler. No worries ...
... @BorisJohnson was back (unannounced), to make sure that the #negotiaons in #UkraineRussiaWar he torpedoed on his last visit remained "unspeakable evil" - ... pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/…
... #UK jockeying for a global role again - never mind if it is as destructive as in the past - and it's security guarantees as worthless as the one's it made in #BudapestMemorandum
OBTW, re that "consensus" on #military-support and no #negotiation involving #Ukraine-concessions in #UkraineRussiaWar: An ECFR-poll shows that more Europeans favour the latter vs. the former, except in #NewEurope-leader #Poland. Public-opinion ignored ...
My answer to a very good article (preceding my answer) on #negotiations to end #UkraineRussiaWar by @lieven_anatol @QuincyInst
which @I_Katchanovski shared.
Here's the by far best proposal for #negotiations to end #UkraineRussiaWar by a group of scholars and politicians headed by @JeffDSachs. It is worth noting ...
jeffsachs.org/newspaper-arti…
... that the framework was available BEFORE the war, extending #MinskII - but #Ukraine (more precisely, the @ZelenskyUa government) and it's handlers in #USA and #UK had other designs - that they are willing to pursue "to the last Ukrainian".
The definitive must-read on #UkraneRussiaWar by John J. #Mearsheimer @TheNatlInterest - how it was engineered by #USA #deepstate (most recently @POTUS) and their proxies #NATO and #Ukraine and what disturbing scenarios loom. Noticed it thanks to @MRoff.
For the sake of completeness linking to an older tweet that conclusively shows that #Ukraine stopped all #negotiation to end #UkraineRussiaWar at @BorisJohnson's behest.
Linking to a tweet about the last phone-call between @EmmanuelMacron and #Putin before #UkraineRussiaWar which I inadvertently tweeted in a "side-thread".
In passing, to illustrate WHO has a concept, understanding of pre-requisites and realistic expectation on outlook for #negotiation in #UkraineRussiaWar - in contrast to #propaganda-induced #masshysteria and #confusion in the West. #RusslandUkraineKrieg tass.com/russia/1475025
"A beacon of hope" on #negotiation in #UkraineRussiaWar, if only on the specific issue of grain-exports, but @antonioguterres and @RTErdogan show it's possible (as in #Mariupol) - but no one else is up to mediating between #Ukrain and #Russia. 1/2 reuters.com/world/europe/u…
The main hurdle? Let's see what #Ukraine negotiator @OlKubrakov had to say, essentially "the agreement was only possible thanks to Ukraine's military successes" (in #UkraineRussiaWar). Think about it ... IMO what it means is ... 2/3
- Without "military successes" #Ukraine would not have negotiated.
- This principle applies also to #negotiation on ending #UkraineRussiaWar - and on #MinskII BEFORE it.
- Conversely, it justifies #Russia's attack - realizing this core element of #Ukraine-policy.
Ironic ... 3/3
More of the same "negotiation"-strategy in #UkraineRussiaWar from @ZelenskyyUa, who even shows disapproval of the grain-export agreement and sees only a military solution. 1/4
That's excerpted from a @WSJ-interview that's behind a paywall but the following affilitae-link may work for you, too. Reading carefully, we recognize @ZelenskyyUa's quandary in #UkraineRussiaWar: ... 2/4 affiliate.insider.com/?u=https%3A%2F…
"The society believes that all the territories must be liberated first ...",: That's the rub - but will it at all fly in the face of all the sacrifice - just getting what one could have had by implementing #MinskII without #UkraineRussiaWar? So, WHICH territories? 3/4
The #deepstate spoke via his ministers, so we know it includes #Crimea - AND MORE. Surely scares him, too - as any progress on that will surely earn him a Kinshal or two - and not with a conventional warhead this time. And then, he is smarting from being spurned by #Putin🤷‍♂️ 4/4
Commendable thoughtful article by former #USA @WHNSC members Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson in @TheNatlInterest - saying the obvious re #UkraineRussiaWar, culminating in the close-out: ... 1/3
nationalinterest.org/feature/ukrain…
"But it is also time to encourage both sides to start exploring possibilities for a political solution before escalation puts diplomacy even farther from reach. And unless the United States and NATO condition military assistance on Ukraine’s ... 2/3
... constructive political engagement, they will lack the leverage to work effectively towards a stable objective." ... tacitly admitting that #Russia interests were infringed and that #Ukraine needs to be reined in. But their ACTIVE #deepstate-colleagues think otherwise ... 3/3
Quite instructive, what a set of IR-experts saw coming just BEFORE #UkraineRussiaWar. My take-away: Everyone understood that #Ukraine was not worth a world-war - but that is exactly what concerted #propaganda managed to convince "public opinion" of.
Another older but very prescient strategic opinion on #UkraineRussiaWar by Graham E. Fuller (former Vice Chair of the @ODNI_NIC @CIA ) - the kind that sadly no current Western government is capable of. It's conclusion:
"Sadly for Washington, ... 1/3 grahamefuller.com/some-hard-thou…
... nearly every single one of its expectations ... are turning out to be incorrect. Indeed the West may come to look back at this moment as the final argument against following Washington’s quest for global dominance into ever newer and more dangerous and damaging ... 2/3
... confrontations with Eurasia. And most of the rest of the world–Latin America, India, the Middle East and Africa– find few national interests in this fundamentally American war against Russia." 3/3
Interesting brief by @connor_echols on @RStatecraft shows on the basis of some recent events/polls that #Ukraine's narrative on #UkraineRussiaWar may hold sway over Western public-opinion - seemingly, but it's foundations are weak.
Significant analysis on how #Ukraine and it's western allies can no longer ignore their isolation in the #UN (=world) community in their antagonistic and militaristic #UkraineRussiaWar-policy. From @Reuters, here (significantly) shared by @RichardGowan1.
@Reuters @RichardGowan1 ... linking to the general theme of changing #narrative I had also commented on in my thread on #USA-policy in #UkraineRussiaWar.
Indeed a must-read on perspectives in #UkraineRussiaWar by John J. #Measrheimer in
@ForeignAffairs, commented here by @QuincyInst. #RusslandUkraineKrieg. My take-aways: 1/2
- The goals of both sides evolved in a way driven (plausibly) by their point-of-view,
- leading to a complete loss of clear outlook - including
- danger of escalation (also nuclear) along various paths which are not foreseeable/controllable. 2/2
An older article by @benjaminja, Managing Editor of
@RStatecraft, relevant to a key question (for any astute thinker): What was done to PREVENT #UkraineRussiaWar? Answer: Nothing useful. 1/2
responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/04/14/bid…
... which inevitably leads to the question - whether #Ukraine, #USA, #NATO, #UK actually WANTED this war (for different reasons compatible in intent) - in fact, planned it strategically - and IMO that got corroborated in various ways.
A sign of subtly changing #policy (following #narrative) in #UkraineRussiaWar: The arguably most (only?) capable western leader @EmmanuelMacron is again talking to #Russia's #Putin. Of course, "compensated" by further public condemnation ....
elysee.fr/emmanuel-macro…
Remarkable analysis (deep, detailed, well-researched) of the way #UkraineRussiaWar came about and what that means for #negotiation of an end - which I became aware of via excerpts from @natyliesb. 1/4
nationalinterest.org/feature/course…
It's approach is to deconstruct the reigning narrative "sustained by twin assumptions about the war, which claim Russian president Vladimir Putin resorted to an “unprovoked” military invasion of Ukraine to fulfill “maximum” aims of conquest" from it's opportunistic beginning. 2/4
The hard truth: "But for diplomacy to gain traction ..., the U.S. and Europe must pivot in unison to pressure and empower Zelenskyy to seek the compromise that is necessary with Putin, which also requires the West to ... relinquish its position to bring Ukraine into NATO." 3/4
"Before all else, Washington must come to terms with its role in provoking and now prolonging the war. Unfortunately, the conventional narrative dampens that realization and delays the course correction." 4/4
P.S. I feel obliged to apologize that I did not mention the author @RamzyMardini of this article - in the perennial and braindead tinkering to keep messages within Twitter's limit😟
In contrast to the preceding recommendation @BorisJohnson was back AGAIN in Kyiv (3. time!) to ensure that no one even dreams of #negotiations in #UkraineRussiaWar. One could hope things improve when he leaves office - but there are other buffoons around.
Small reminder: IF and WHEN Western leaders finally come to their senses and rein in #Ukraine - Russia remains open to #diplomacy and resume #negotiation of an end to #UkraineRussiaWar. tass.com/politics/14984…
As official as it gets (unofficially known e.g. from @arestovych), @OleksiyDanilov admits that #Ukraine was expecting #UkraineRussiaWar since 2019 - which is also when they coerced @ZelenskaUA to torpedo #MisnkII at the last high-level "Normandy-meeting".
@arestovych @OleksiyDanilov @ZelenskaUA ... and the separatists in #Donbas knew it, too - and, of course, the #Kremlin. tass.com/world/1498917
@arestovych @OleksiyDanilov @ZelenskaUA @AntonioGuteres regrets in hindsight that #UN neglected #MinskII where #Germany & #France were not up to their lead-role. So just lost track of events? Or was it not (e.g. in #USA) part of hidden strategy? And of course hidden from the public - #democracy as front for #fascism.
After #negotiation to end #UkraineRussiaWar petered out and the reigning #narrative made it a no-no "because #Putin is not willing to talk - short of #Ukraine's capitulation" it is remarkable that it suddenly reappears in #media due to this article ... 1/5
... by Fiona Hill and @AngelaStent in @ForeignAffairs, in a brief interlude at "According to multiple former senior U.S. officials ..., in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators ... tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement", ... 2/5
... the rest of the article being intellectual bilge of #Putin-demonization. This was then quoted by @connor_echols for @RStatecraft's "Diplomacy Watch", ALSO referring (commendably) to the article ... 3/5
... @ukrpravda_news on May 5 which @I_Katchanovski had tweeted in his GREAT #Ukraine-reporting. Clearly, #propaganda-induced #stateofdenial immunized collective #consciousness - but maybe immunity is weakening - as "reality on the ground" emerges - and the #narrative reacts. 4/5
Here's that long forgotten/overlooked tweet, re-tweeted by me (again) within a chronology of the final phase of #negotiations revolving around the meeting in #Istanbul on March 29. 5/5

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