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There is no compromise for #remain in this brexit deal. For MPs who think it will bring people together once again they are indulging in sheer fantasy. The compromise is between a hard brexit and a slightly less hard brexit, all being harder than Mays WA which was pretty hard.
The people who have yapped on for 3 years about EEA Norway etc have completely wasted their breath. As soon as Mays red lines were drawn this option was out of the picture. If labour MPs think this deal is right they are doing a great disservice to the country.
The biggest Pro EU movement in Europe is not going to disband if brexit is imposed without at the very least a chance for people to have a voice at the ballot box ON. THE DEAL. #Leave have completely ignored #remainers concerns for 3 years.
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#DemandDemocracy is a network of broadcast channels & groups using the powerful Telegram platform for democracy in the UK. Join the People’s Vote March for a #FinalSay, Oct 19
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20 February 2016:

"Justice Secretary Michael Gove has said Britain would be "freer, fairer and better off outside the EU"."

"Four other cabinet ministers - Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Grayling, John Whittingdale and Theresa Villiers - have signed up to the Leave campaign."
"By leaving the EU we can take control. Indeed, we can show the rest of Europe the way to flourish."

Operation Yellowhammer comes to mind!!!

Perhaps Gove would care to review his statement he made in 2016 - to convince voters to vote to leave EU!
"Instead of grumbling and complaining about the things we can't change and growing resentful and bitter, we can shape an optimistic, forward-looking and genuinely internationalist alternative to the path the EU is going down."

Austerity is the 'political choice' of Tory Party!
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In @thetimesscot, a new @TheIFS report shows the economy is £60bn smaller than forecast because of #Brexit and shockingly ranks our economic prospects higher under a Labour-led government. 1/
"The public finances have deteriorated substantially" and a 'no deal' Brexit would necessitate huge fiscal stimulus seeing the national debt soar to 90% of GDP, wrecking our own government borrowing rules. 2/
The report shows current Conservative spending plans almost match the level of Labour's 2017 #magicmoneytree manifesto and "the government is now adrift without any effective fiscal anchor" 3/
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YouGov: More than twice as many people say the public rather than MPs should decide whether Britain quits the EU if Boris Johnson fails to get a new Brexit deal

52% say there should be a #FinalSay c 23% who think MPs should decide
25% : “don’t know”.
standard.co.uk/news/politics/…
2/ Critically “By a clear 41 to 27 per cent margin, Leave voters want a referendum, rather than MPs, to settle the matter if there is no deal.”

YouGov interviewed 1,620 adults in Britain between September 29 and 30. Data are weighted.”

WHY does Johnson and MPs not want that?
3/. Because it is MPs that keeps failing to look the hard facts in the eye.
I/ This is very very difficult.
II/ Not deliverable without a lot of harm.
III/ Yes. YES MPs have to look at the fact that they have failed miserably to secure our elections and must do so first.
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Corbyn's personal neutrality gambit in a #FinalSay referendum - how we get there is follow the red route in this flowchart. Here's how I've been told it goes, if it goes right 1/...
2/ First off, if Johnson gets defeated in the Supreme Court is a bonus but not decisive. The real action is when Parliament returns. Vote of no confidence followed by interim goverment. Who is PM is irrelevant. EU signalling they will accept and Norway +/- type political dec ....
3/ Then we go straight to an election: there's not enough support in this HoC for a second referendum before election - that's just a fact despite ex-Tory converts...
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Can we have a Labour #Brexit reality check please?
1) lot of good people getting themselves all bent out of shape on the #LibDems policy of #RevokeA50 without really absorbing that this is all about Labour zigzagging on a #FinalSay

It's Corbyn's fault for demanding a GE!
2) a reminder of recent history.

Anti #Brexit/no deal groups focused on a #PeoplesVote 2 years ago. Labour conference last year tried to push Corbyn into an unambiguous PV stance with a ton of CLPs putting motions forward - they were sidelined
3) the Labour powers that be morphed 100s of "we want a PV" motions into "we want a GE, if we can't get that, we look at other options, one of which might be a PV"

This happened - and it allowed Corbyn to fuck about for 2 years
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Using hashtags and trending words - How not to make a hash of it on twitter - a thread.

#Stopbrexit #Stopthecoup #FBPE #FinalSay #PeoplesVote

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Sadly I see too many people saying that they don't see the point of #hashtag ging - or that it is silly - or doesn't help....

So bear with me here...

#StopBrexit #StopTheCoup #LiarJohnson #DeathByBrexit

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This couldn't be further from the truth, using tags well, in any situation on twitter, helps you reach further and link up with other people

👬👭👫👨‍👨‍👦

Even people in other countries

#FBPE #HaveDemocracy #StopFascism #facciamorete #FBR

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It's now painfully clear and beyond any doubt: 1. That the sunny, cost-free, easy-access uplands, posited by the Brexit cult, are mendacious fantasy. 2. That the ever-growing costs, downsides and consequences of Brexit are very real and intellectually indisputable.
#BrexitChaos
We may tire of confronting the undisputed opportunity costs* of #Brexit #CatastrophUK (c.£130bn so far, rising at c.£1.2bn weekly) but our *GDP *Currency *Property Values *Stock Market *Govt Borrowing *Ongoing #Brexodus (ref: @uk_domain_names) combine to drag the UK backwards.
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The #PeoplesVote campaign is today announcing a new date for what is expected to be one of the biggest public protests Britain has ever seen. 1/11
This will now take place in London on October 19 - just 12 days before Boris Johnson plans to take the UK out of Europe with a “scorched earth” No Deal Brexit that no-one voted for in the last referendum. 2/11
The previous date would have seen the march happen a week earlier. But since plans were unveiled, the campaign has discovered this would have clashed with a fun run to raise money for Great Ormond Street Hospital in Hyde Park. 3/11
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In these deeply serious times, we need grown up politics that puts country before party. The single most important thing in this byelection was to put party politics aside, and deliver a pro-Remain MP for Brecon and Radnorshire. #BreconandRadnor 1/
That is why @Plaid_Cymru decided not to stand a candidate in the #BreconAndRadnor byelection - because we believed that to be the right thing to do in the Welsh national interest. 2/
I am proud that the leadership shown by @Plaid_Cymru in creating a spirit of cooperation between pro-Remain parties has led to the election of @DoddsJane as the new MP for Brecon and Radnorshire. #BreconandRadnor 3/
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Today is possibly .@theresa_may's last day as PM, if .@BorisJohnson can command a majority (which is in some doubt...)

So it's a great opportunity to look back at some of the *highlights* of Mrs May's premiership in memes👇
13 JUL 2016: May was appointed as PM and named her Cabinet shortly thereafter, surprising many by giving 3 of the top #Brexit-related jobs to arch-brexiters Boris Johnson, David Davis & Liam Fox. Sheer folly, or genius in making them own what they'd sold? Sadly, the former😢
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5 OCT 2016: With such a narrow result, the country could be forgiven for expecting May to propose a consensual solution, as Norway PM Erna Solberg had done in a similar situation. Most Remainers would've accepted #Norway.

May's #CitizensOfNowhere speech crushed all hope.
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No matter how we ask the question, we keep coming to the same predictable conclusion:
The public are divided on how to resolve Brexit - BMG Research...

But #RevokeA50 has the highest NET approval when -be score subtracted from +ve.

bmgresearch.co.uk/brexit-divide/
I think it is fair to say that if you take the #FinalSay+ve scores it is reasonable to assume that all or nearly all support Remain.

I think Remain is looking solid. I don’t think you can assume the same on the Leave options.
But when given less nuanced choices Leave No Deal was the single most popular choice.

Slightly puzzled about the thinking behind this given the outcomes in tweet 2 diagram, that suggests otherwise.
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In order to mark 3 years since the disastrous EU referendum, our group was out campaigning on the streets of #chester for the whole weekend. We wanted to speak to residents and visitors about what #brexit issues were on their mind.
It was a busy weekend as our action weekend coincided with the Midsummer Watch Parade so the streets were very busy with residents and visitors. We had our new banners to show off. Say no to No-deal. We have the best deal.
So what was the vibe? Well I have several conversations reported to me. One couple from Ellesmere Port had voted leave but are #RemainerNow. They made the excellent point that 6 years ago nobody was bothered about the EU so why was it suddenly made a problem?
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Exceptional times; exceptional measures

Today I’m calling for backbenchers to form a coalition Govt of National Unity, short term for ONE POLICY

...a people’s vote to give a #FinalSay on the biggest political decision of our lifetimes.

Thread... theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
Our country is divided and what motivated many to vote Leave in 16 are now admitted to be lies: no job losses, £350m wk to #NHS, easy trade deals etc.

Polls now say we’re a Remain country; the wafer thin mandate of 2016 advisory poll is over

When facts change; minds change
To my backbencher colleagues...

You MUST prevent an incoming Tory leader proroguing parliament and forcing a no-deal Brexit.

Do not put #PartyAboveCountry
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On #Brexit, these #EUelections2019 show that, if a political party stands in the middle of the road, it gets squashed. That‘s what I predicted when I resigned from Government last year. And it’s what has happened to @Conservatives and @UKLabour
So what next? If the purpose of government is to follow the will of the people (at any cost), the only politically viable Brexit is a hard one (WTO etc). But neither major political party will get a Westminster majority by delivering Hard Brexit without explicit public consent
And forget any soft Brexit. It’s not politically viable (for the record, I’ve always held that it’s the worst of both worlds) and anyone thinking we get further concessions from the @EU_Commission by playing hardball is living in cuckoo land. The WA is it, take it or leave it
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1) 4 authentic successful, coherent pro Remain voices
#EUelections2019

In some ways this is the best outcome for Remain & #FinalSay, because the Labour/Tory #Brexit conspiracy is broken & LDs, Greens, SNP & PC can emerge with an unambiguous message - no #Brexit is a good Brexit
2) Remain has had since day 1 a single overriding barrier - the media, especially the BBC, have overwhelmingly favoured Farage, the Tories & Labour, and all 3 are on the same #Brexit side, that Brexit could be pain free, cost free, jobs first if it was just done properly
3) are all Farage's supporters no deal zealots? Of course not, they largely believe, like the Tories, that stropping off will force the EU27 to a deal.

Labour believes that kind words and the power of magic grandpa will do the same thing

"I can do #Brexit better than you can"
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Struck by Gove telling #r4today giving people a #FinalSay is undemocratic as it’s “a route to frustrate Brexit”. So, he thinks it at least possible there’s no CURRENT majority behind Brexit but asking people is somehow LESS democratic than pushing it through against their wishes.
It’s a huge flaw in the Brexit thesis. You cannot claim to respect the will of the people, when your entire focus over three years has been to prevent people from ever expressing their will again. Respecting voters’ views MUST include respecting the fact that those views evolve.
The 2016 EUref provided no mandate for a specific Brexit. The 2017 GE provided no mandate for a specific Brexit. MPs have provided no mandate for a specific Brexit.

So, where does Gove derive his mandate for a specific Brexit? His subjective interpretation. That’s not democracy.
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To #Labour voters who back a #PeoplesVote and are campaigning to #Remain in the EU, please ignore this angry article. It does not speak for the majority.
The worst thing Labour supporters like Owen can do at the #EUElections2019 is lecture and patronise Remain voters.
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Instead, let's be honest about the progress made in moving #Labour policy on #Brexit forward, while recognising we are not where we need to be.
The good news:
-203 Labour MPs voted for a #PeoplesVote in parliament
-34 Labour candidates have signed the @Remain_Labour pledge.
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Less good news:
- The NEC decision confirms that backing a #PeoplesVote is an 'option', but did not commit to it unambiguously.

#Remain campaigners have every reason to be frustrated. But instead of attacking them (as Owen does), we need to convince them to stick with Labour
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Just a reminder of the real issue on Brexit: can May do a customs union deal with Labour that a) pro-Remain Labour MPs will support and b) that her own party will support... 1/ My info is still no... but...
2/ May is now so terrified of the Tory party disintegrating, as well as the government, that she will do anything to stop the elections going ahead on 23 May - including fast-tracking an amendment to the WA through parliament...
3/ The Labour position is clear. If the party does not support the deal on offer (and it can't get a general election), it has to be put to a second referendum. This is now in the revised election leaflets...
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Children in Victorian poverty in our schools: @Channel4News this evening.

My dad died when I was small. Subsequently, I had two episodes of homelessness as a child (early 1960s). I stole food to feed my Mum and me.

When I became a teacher in inner London, I still saw poverty...
But it seemed *comparatively* unusual, resulting from particular circumstances (like my experiences).

What's become clear in the last 5 years is that it's no longer unusual, it's no longer temporary, it's no longer linked to illness or 'inadequacy'. Now it's a feature of life.
In part I blame myself. By the late 1980s, as I watched families with children at my school find it harder and harder to cope, it was becoming clear that Tory policies were creating a poverty time bomb; but I was in a sort of denial, as I tried to keep my own head above water.
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Look at the state of the bottom of this list.
@Nigel_Farage is ranked 747th out of 751 for MEP voting.
Less than 40% of votes.
Taking taxpayers money & doing nothing.
One of the very worst lazy, overpaid, "gravy train" MEPs Leavers are always railing about.
#WakeUpUK #BrexitsACon
@Nigel_Farage This analysis of MEP value is from here: mepranking.eu/state.php?st=G…
@Nigel_Farage By comparison, here are the top 30 or so of UK MEPs
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The Labour MPs ABSTAINING on key votes esp the PV and REVOKE. White indicates abstaining
Labour MPS voting AGAINST (the tan colour) key votes, including a #FinalSay and Revoke. Quite a few voted against CM2.
They may be able to break ththe deadlock if they accept a PV tied to the preferred option.

Then some people NOT voting FOR a model might be able to shift as the PV would mean there is a backstop.

Really irresponsible all around to vote against the Cherry Revoke backstop.
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A warning knell from Prof Philip Allott about a potential legal trap door in the extension and why A50 revocation is preferable to a #FinalSay @JolyonMaugham @syrpis @GeorgePeretzQC @JMPSimor @ProfKAArmstrong
@pimlicat @peoplesvote_uk @BestForBritain
2/ “If the UK notification of its intention to withdraw from the EU is not revoked before 12 April or 22 May, it would be possible to conclude a new ad hoc agreement with the European Council..
3/ ..creating the possibility of genuine further negotiation, with or without time-limits that are compatible with the object and purpose of Article 50”
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